Wednesday, 22 June 2011

Survey shows support for Waitrose

MOST people who responded to a questionairre at an exhibition on new Waitrose plans for Knowle backed the scheme.

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Of the 287 forms returned, 122 (45.5 per cent) backed the plans outright while 65, 22 per cent backed it with reservations.

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Some 100, 35.5 per cent, said they did not support the plans at Friday and Saturday’s exhibition at Knowle Village Hall. In total, 1,300 people visited.

The firm has scrapped plans to knock down the village hall, in St John’s Close, for a smaller store on an un-used bowling green by The Red Lion car park.

The original plan proposed a new village hall on the bowling green. Waitrose says the existing hall would now be refurbished.

Five bungalows nearest the village hall would be demolished to make way for 257 car parking spaces compared to 180 proposed before.

The five neighbouring bungalows, closer to Station Road, would be kept instead of being re-located as originally proposed.

Five would be rebuilt by the Royal Mail sorting office, a move that would knock down the old police house.

The overall size of the store would be 19,900sqft compared to 26,250sqft before, a reduction of 24 per cent.

The sales area would be reduced from 15,000sqft to 12,500sqft, a reduction of ten per cent.

An exhibition was held on the previous plans in January last year and a planning application later submitted to Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council, which has now been withdrawn.

Another key change is the delivery route, with two daily articulated lorries a day proposed via junction 15 of the M40 via the Warwick Road and Station Road.

The lorries would enter via the service entrance to the left of Wine Rack on Station Road.

The previous plan proposed two daily deliveries via the M42 and High Street and right into St John’s Close by Loch Fyne.

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50 comments:

  1. If only 187 people actually attended - and 122 were definitely for it that leaves only 65 unsure or against. Most people in the area didn't feel strongly enough to attend.
    65 people possibly against!
    Look forward to the project going ahead asap

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  2. Will be a great boost to the village. Very difficult to see a negetive.

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  3. Fantastic news!

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  4. about time Knowle got a decent supermarket.

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  5. Knowle is a vibrant retail area and will be enhanced by a Waitrose store.

    Dorridge on the other hand has nothing additional to offer shoppers and will be dominated by the proposed over-sized Sainsbury supermarket.

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  6. New Sainsbury's in Dorridge means that horrible precinct will look decent- also a cafe there. Station approach properties which look awful with their peeling paint and rotting woodwork will be 'saved' and local families can shop locally. Overall it will be a vast improvement for Dorridge. The feel will be different - livelier!
    Waitrose will be good for Knowle too - facelift for whole area

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  7. Why cannot people understand that because the current Forest Court is a mess it dose not mean that we have to accept Sainsbury's vision ( triple £ signs) to replace it.

    Station Approach is a conservation area and the owners of the premises have a LEGAL DUTY to maintain them. Yes they are looking flakey but who owns them ....that's right Saint Sainsbury who are bound to keep them in good order regardless of the outcome of any application to build a monster store to serve a huge area of south Solihull , NOT just Dorridge.

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  8. I wish the moaners would stop getting in the way of progress. The facilities in B93 are terrible. Both supermarkets are needed and the sooner the better.

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  9. Sainsburys will transfomr Dorridge into a useful and vibrant shopping centre instead of the grotty little dump it is at the moment.
    There will always be negative opinion with any development but I cannot think of one development that is so badly needed.

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  10. Investment in the area is vital and in a recession we are lucky to have these developments planned for Knowle and Dorridge. Sorry but previous owners of Station approach have not looked after those properties so don't try and pin the mess that Dorridge Centre on Sainsbury's.
    Look forward to plans being past.

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  11. These Stores are in Waitrose's case 2x size of Knowle tesco and sainsbury's 3x the size of knowle tesco. Neither are 'monster stores' but appropriate to the no. of local people they will serve.
    I think most people see the advantages.

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  12. Can't wait to be able to shop locally instead of treking up to Tesco at Monkspath. I have lived in the area for 30 years and can see the need for these stores. The idea they will somehow blight the area is a strange one. Somewhat romantised view of what we have at present it would seem!

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  13. Lots of PR puff on here. Looks like the Sainsbury's team have been hard at work!

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  14. re above - What a ridiculous comment. Have I been approached by Sainsbury's/ Waitrose people - er no! I happen to have an opinion which is shared by a majority of people in this area.

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  15. Really the people who are anti have campaigned hard. I think the DROVS have done a good job in getting a reduced sized store in Dorridge - didn't really have an issue with the size of the Waitrose. What we have now is a compromise which will benefit everyone - lets not get silly about it

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  16. If residents are happy to see at least an extra 1 or 2 cars on local roads for every 3 they see now and for smaller traditional businesses to face closure then so be it.

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  17. Knowle certainly DOES NOT need Waitrose or any other food retailer.If all those who shopped at Tesco shopped in their own areas this would take any pressure off Tesco.It seems to be that a great many who are wanting Waitrose don't even live in Knowle and would not be happy if this sort of proposal was in their area.If Sainsburys go ahead in Dorridge that will hopefully encourage Dorridge residents who now shop at Knowle Tesco to shop in Dorridge ,thus easing the situation.There are far too many building attacks threatening Knowle at present and all of them are unneccessary.Waitrose would only encourage even more traffic.Apart from all this,Waitrose food is rubbish and too expensive.

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  18. Well I live in Dorridge and shop quite often in Knowle Tesco. How am I supposed to shop in my own area?? When Sainsbury's arrives I will shop there but the above comments only go to prove that we do need a decent supermarket locally.

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  19. 24th June - 13.10

    well said!!!!!!!! Hear, hear

    ACG

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  20. I wonder what The Knowle Society - which has over 3000 members and was established in 1962 to maintain the character of the village - feel about these Waitrose plans. I personally feel that the estimated extra footfall of 25% to the village that this 2nd supermarket would bring would drastically change the village and alter the make up of the High Street and Precinct businesses. The 25% estimate is probably an underestimate. I also agree with those who foresee worsening traffic problems. I say preserve and value what we have got.

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  21. The comment that Dorridge residents have no where to shop at present is true but if and when Sainsburys is built they can shop there.However this does not prove that we need another supermarket in the meantime.A waitrose would only become even more unnecessary in that case!As for the useless Knowle Society,they,or is it this page(?) cannot even get their facts right on the opening of Knowle Library on Saturday afternoons.

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  22. I don't understand why, all these people who are so desperate to have a supermarket on their doorsteps chose to live in Dorridge and Knowle in the first place. I chose to live in Dorridge because it was quiet and DIDN'T have the trappings of a town centre. I don't want a massive supermarket with all it's additional traffice and inadequate car parking bringing people from far and wide to what was and stillis on a Sunday a pleasant quiet place to live. Why don't all these people go and live on the doorstep of Morrisons or move to Monkspath nice and close to a giant Tesco or Shirley close to a masive Sainsburys and leave our villages alone!!

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  23. People who don't want to see these villages decay and see the need for these supermarkets are the ones understanding that we need to look ahead not backwards. I've lived in the area for over 20 years. Leave out villages alone! - well its my village too.

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  24. I'm a member of the knowle society and I'm for Waitrose +++. Agree with above. Getting stuck in a time warp won't help the local villages to thrive.

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  25. For centuries the church and the hostelry were the focal points of most villages but now cold commercialism dictates that it must be the supermarket. If this is progress then it is of the negative sort. It will be the supermarket chains who will thrive and when the big name High Street stores start to creep in it will be them rather than the displaced local traders who will thrive. Councils will reap more by way of business rates and Chief Executives will get bigger bonuses. Residents will no longer be called "villagers" but will be called "local consumers". Villages will lose their identities and there will be no need for societies such as The Knowle Society.

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  26. Progress or not its the way it is. Refusing to accept change and digging in our heels will not help the area. Harking back to some sort of 'golden age' isn't realistic. look to the positives!! also allow that young families need these sort of facilities with their busy working lives, unless you want the 'villages' to become museum pieces.

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  27. Young families with busy working lives could shop where they work to save time and I would think would prefer to do their main shopping, any way, in the larger supermarkets such as Morrison's etc in Solihull or Sainsbury's and Tesco's at Monkspath, which are not a million miles away and where the choice is better than Waitrose would provide.

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  28. I was not aware of any great clamouring from local residents for a 2nd supermarket prior to Waitrose coming along and earmarking the site. I would have thought that The Knowle Society would have petitioned for this had there been a real need. If there is a justified issue with the size of Tesco's then allow it to extend. That should be sufficient for the village's needs and would be far less intrusive.

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  29. Most people against Waitrose are also against the expansion of Tesco and Sainsbury's in Dorridge. It's a mind-set. Not really based on area's needs - more of a knee jerk response. The truth is 'way of life' will be virtually unaffected by a Waitrose store.

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  30. Waitrose will provide for a certain demographic and take the pressure off Tescos and give people an element of choice which just extending Tesco would not.

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  31. Sainsburys will fulfill the shopping needs of 'busy working families' and Waitrose will. as above said, allow for some choice. Good to still have the Tesco - balanced provision for the area.

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  32. "Way of life" will be seriously affected by much more traffic on local roads and who wants the heart of a village to be taken up by queues and rows of cars? Who wants established local businesses to face the prospect of closure? "Busy working families" did not need to move to the area in the first place. As has already been said by another contributor above they could have moved onto the doorstep of one of the bigger supermarkets elsewhere. There are numerous supermarkets already within a 5 mile radius. There is adequate choice already and I do not see why our "way of life" should be dictated by supermarket chains. If families are that busy why do they not get into the "mind set" of ordering their groceries over the internet, thereby keeping up with "change" and "progress" and also at the same time taking the pressure off Tesco's .... and the roads.

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  33. I will still shop at Eric Lyons, the bakery and Sheldon florists. However I feel I may get a bigger greengrocery choice at Waitrose. For me, New Covent Garden does not stock everything. I may however go to Waitrose for anything else I have forgotten in my weekly shop. I can't stand Tesco. Oh and I will use Sainsburys in Dorridge when open. I live in Knowle and want to shop locally and not drive to Monkspath every week. And yes, I work and have children. I can walk to Knowle and Dorridge is a 5 min drive for my weekly shop. I'm therefore happy with my personal carbon footprint. one doesn't have to desert independents just because a major multiple retailer as moved in.

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  34. Solihull Council should stand up to supermarkets, such as Waitrose in order to keep local businesses going. Let's have more small bakeries, butchers, greengrocers and specialist shops etc in Knowle rather than another monopolistic supermarket; the Council should be encouraging small enterprise. The balance in the market is getting worse as nearly everywhere these days it is getting harder for smaller businesses on the High Street to fight back. There are simply too many supermarkets around.

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  35. Rodger Sainsbury28 June 2011 at 23:37

    Waitrose, Waitrose,
    Please please wait, Rose,
    I miss your scent, Rose,
    You smell like Waitrose,
    With each day it grows,
    Please please Waitrose.

    FIN.

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  36. Waitrose will not damage the estate agents, hairdressers, restaurants, Carly-type shops that make up the bulk of knowle shops. One stop, bakery, eric lyons, palmers, greedy guts will continue to thrive. Small and large businesses are struggling because of the recession and on-line shopping both in town centres and small high streets - Waitrose will not affect that fact either way.

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  37. Main issue will be the parking - if that is adequate don't see what all the fuss is about. I live in Dorridge - drive up to Knowle Tesco couple of times a week at present - will go to Sainsbury's when we have it so my car will be one less up in Knowle, must be lots of others like me.

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  38. I think it will be great! Traffic is bad at moment because the car-parking is so bitty with cars parked along the roads by the village hall. Whole scheme looks good

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  39. I moved here for the schools - I will be glad of the new sainsbury's in particular. will save me time on the roads and is a greener option. I don't want to shop on line for groceries, you can't see the offers and you just end up buying the same things every week. Where we lived before in the north-east we got together locally and actually wrote to the big supermarket chains to ask them to come to our area - we only had the co-op! Waitrose will be great addition too.

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  40. We are not just talking about local people and their cars - we have to consider the additional influx of traffic from outside the area, which is what WR and S are bargaining on. Approach roads to Knowle and Dorridge will be jammed and I think you'll find the new car parking arrangements will not be adequate for very long.

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  41. The antis use rather a lot of emotive language not much of an evidence base. Not sure you can say approach roads to Knowle and Dorridge will be jammed. How do you know?
    Also people from lapworth, hampton, eastcote etc already come into Knowle and Dorridge as we are the nearest places to shop. People from shirley are not going to drive to dorridge for a sainsburys or to knowle for a Waitrose as they have these stores already.
    No need to panic!!

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  42. I believe Waitrose themselves have predicted an extra 25% footfall to Knowle from outside the area if their store opens. That on top of the already heavy traffic that goes through Knowle on Warwick Road, plus existing local traffic will inevitably cause problems. The car parks, like now will be full and there will be the same old parking overflow onto roads around the village centre. It's a waste of time, as it is, trying to park in the car park near the Junior school - it always seems to be full. There have been reports of workers leaving their cars there, as well as in the side roads, to car share and continue their commute into Solihull.

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  43. Don't panic!

    Let the supermarkets do as they please.

    All investment=good. All opposition=harking back to a golden age.

    I wish they were building a nuclear power plant.

    Then we'd see what people round here are made of.

    By all means support development, but don't let these huge businesses dictate the pace of change.

    M.

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  44. Waitrose is a supermarket and therefore needs to be a certain size to be viable and of any use. Its not going to be that big, 2x size of Tesco. Not all investment is good but this one seems to be. Fed up with attitude and negativity of some people. whatever is said they just come back with the same 'save our village' 'jamming our roads' response even when develpements have been reduced in size and compromises made. Seems to me they're moving the goalposts all the time. I know I'm in the majority so what gives a minority of people the right to dictate what this area should have to the rest of us.

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  45. Who's panicking and how does one know truly whether they are in the majority or the minority? More than likely, regardless of public sentiment, Waitrose are going to get their way, but people have to be allowed to air their views. Traffic problems are but one issue (and a very real issue which Government and Councils are neglecting). I fully agree with the view that the only hope for Britain's farmers, the global environment and local communities is for the UK to have fewer food retailing giants and for the public to give greater support to independent stores, farm shops and markets, veg box schemes, food co-ops etc.

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  46. Re above - Government don't make people get in a car and drive, whatever happened to personal responsibility?

    I actually don't have an issue with big food retailers, but I do think they should be encouraged to support local farms and communities more. However, that costs more money to the supermarkets so I'm not holding my breath.

    Waitrose seem to be the most "socially aware" if that's how you want to call it and so if you have to have any, that's the one you'd want, however the supermarkets deliver what people want. That is predominantly choice year round as people don't think anything about buying food in season anymore.

    As I say, if nobody bought the food that was shipped halfway round the world the supermarkets wouldn't sell it, coming full circle and supporting more local suppliers. Can you legislate to force them to do it? Probably, but it wouldn't be very popular so it's unlikely to happen.

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  47. Knowle will not be beautified by any new supermarket. There will be a bigger sea of cars and shopping trolleys. It's bad enough with just the one supermarket presently; badly parked cars and trolleys abandoned where they should not be - saw one today left by Barclays. Are they Knowle residents or outsiders who frequently just leave their trolleys near to where their cars had been without returning them to their proper place.

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  48. What the heart of any village certainly does not need is more traffic and noise pollution; overflowing, ugly car parks; Trolley Land; the Big Boys taking over... Waitrose's plan (above) has been beautifully drawn, but with only 2 cars on it. Imagine the plan with the roads full of parked cars, as things are in reality, and the car parks that are shown full of cars and also the Shopping Precinct and School car parks (not shown). Waitrose is bargaining on many out of the area people coming in, so the streets will remain cluttered. Knowle does not need to be turned into a town. We have enough of these on our doorstep.

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  49. The following was emailed to The Silhillian:

    Sir,
    Knowle already has one supermarket plus a convenience store and very limited parking. The latest proposal by Waitrose / Kimberley Developments seeks to address the shortage of car parking. They make the extremely spurious claim of circa 90 EXTRA car parking spaces (50 % more than the current ‘Tesco’ car park!) by again neglecting to take full account of Red Lion spaces and on street parking consumed by the plan, by adding spaces nowhere near the shops / High St (For example off Lodge Croft near the allotments) and also restricting the number of access points to just one for the main parking area. This single access needs to be used by service vehicles to the premises on the High St (One Stop, Eric Lyons, Carly’s, New Covent Garden, MacMillans etc.) it will therefore lead to worse congestion than now. My major concern is that should this proposal go through as it stands the inadequate car parking will be full to capacity for most of the day. Waitrose – who will own the car park – will then claim that they need to charge for use of the car park and restrict parking duration to allow more shoppers at Waitrose rather than Knowle generally. A similar situation has arisen at Morrison’s Solihull but at least there are alternatives nearby - there is no excess capacity in Knowle. Any planning agreement must include that the car park will ALWAYS be free for up to three hours and staff must only park in the far flung extra spaces Waitrose proposes. Kimberley personnel suggested that no more than 30 staff will be needed to run the Knowle store. (However, claims for other Waitrose developments of similar size suggest that they will bring in 160 plus extra jobs!?) If Waitrose cannot accept these conditions they must be aware of the serious short comings of their plans with regard to Knowle as a whole.
    Yours
    Paul Gilbert.
    Langfield Rd, Knowle.

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  50. Knowle and Dorridge are being caught up in The Supermarket Wars and if the supermarkets are allowed to succeed these 2 villages will be changed (for the worse) forever. You cannot trust any plan that they propose. Beautify the Waitrose plot with, for example, a Remembrance Garden - something to be proud of - and encourage small businesses in the area.

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