Thursday, 21 March 2013

Petition calls for Sainsbury's opening

MORE than 200 people have signed a petition calling on Sainsbury’s to start work on its superstore plan for Dorridge – as the issue is featured in current affairs magazine Private Eye.

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Some 209 have so far backed the petition – addressed to Sainsbury’s CEO Justin King and senior managers – which says: “Having obtained planning permission, you boarded up our leafy, affluent, village at the end of 2011.

“You promised us village regeneration including a GP surgery. Please follow through on these promises.”

The firm last month said work would not start in the “year ahead” because of the downturn in the economy.

The petition – backed by a Facebook page and Twitter account – says: “This isn't only a story about Dorridge - it's about supermarket CEOs and their social conscience - and it's about the law. Supermarkets CAN do this. Buy up a town, board it up and leave.

“If you are sick of our supermarkets, fed up of Boarded-Up Britain and want to see them governed by law, which means Supermarkets can no longer do what Sainsburys have done in Dorridge, please sign this petition. It is only with your help that we can say no. Enough is enough.”

Moreton in Marsh, Gloucestershire resident Steve Pomeroy wrote: “I am not impressed with the Sainsbury's approach to engagement to local communities and whole heartedly support the Dorridge residents in their campaign.”

Dorridge resident Paul Colbert said: “Dorridge is starting to look like inner city Liverpool in the1980's thanks to Sainsbury's.”

Villager Margaret Thompson said: “I have lived in Dorridge for 43 years and supported Sainsbury's plans to redevelop its centre and bring it back to life.

“I am now embarrassed by the dominant eyesore in the village and sad and disappointed that Sainsbury's have abandoned the community.”

The Private Eye article – in the In The Back section – recounts how the firm was refused permission by Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council for a larger store than given permission for a smaller scheme, including an extended and Dorridge Practice.


96 comments:

  1. 200 signatures isn't much particularly as they aren't all locals. Many more said they didn't want it in the first place and presumably still don't want it. What we do want is our village centre back so that someone else can do something with it and soon.

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    1. petition has only been going for 3 days!

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    2. ...and more people DID want it, recognising it might not be the perfect solution.

      Regardless, there is now only ONE issue in town - getting Sainsbury's to deliver on their promises.

      Hats off to those who are at least trying.

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    3. No we still don't need/ want Sainsburys in Dorridge...

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    4. Oh for Gods sake - WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT?

      We may not like it but the reality is that Sainsbury's own the land.

      "I don't want it" is the equivalent of a toddler tantrum.

      Given the current situation, (its March 2013), I think most of us would like to hear what it is that you DO want.

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    5. A leisure centre .

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  2. Sainsbury's own the site outright. It is a virtually impossible chance they would let it go to anyone else to develop. unless there is a precedence for supermarkets relinquishing land they own but have delayed development?

    The only way forward is to persuade Sainsbury's to fulfil their promise on the site.

    By the way, it's 'hear hear'. So many people seem to get that wrong, it's as bad as apostrophes on plurals.

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    1. Also it should be a comma not a full stop between develop and unless...

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    2. And a semi colon instead of a comma between 'wrong' and 'it's'. And something can't be 'virtually impossible'. Either it is or it isn't. And don't start a sentence with 'and'.

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  3. I feel that just saying I did not want it really is not helpful, I did not want it and I did not want Waitrose, but more people did so that is democracy and I have to go with it. So now is what to do about it and I think it is good that people are trying to do something anything that will make Dorridge look better than it looks now. Do the anti Sainsburys just want it to stay as it as so they can say 'told you so'

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    1. apart from the person below 19:06, who would be better off moving somewhere else (a long way away preferably), most of the people who were anti-Sainsbury's, are with you; lets do what we can to get the situation improved. It may not be successful, but we will have tried - just like we tried and failed to oppose the development in the first place.

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  4. Yes we told you so.

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  5. We respect the efforts of those behind the campaign to care for the village they love (as we do) but we didn't want it (Sainsbury's), we still don't want it and will not be shopping there if it is built. Therefore, we cannot sign the petition.

    Yes, it is a mess and as someone that lives close by we're "brassed off" and the premature closing of the garage we cannot understand and appreciate the frustration that this has caused. However, what are people really upset about. It can't be lack of shopping opportunities as there are many options within walking distance let alone, bus, train, car etc. so nothing has changed there. Maybe the doctors rooms do need extending but who would have done that if Sainsbury's hadn't purchased the site? As for revitalising the village surely that is the responsibility of the village residents not a supermarket.

    The world is in economic turmoil, mostly because people have demanded things they cannot afford.
    Justin King has a responsibility to the company that employs him, the shareholders and very importantly the 150,000 Sainsbury's employees (May 2012). To continue with what may be considered a dubious business proposition during a massive economic downturn (and a possible Waitrose store close by) would be irresponsible and failing all of the above. If they go ahead and it is a failure, then what, another abandoned shopping complex?

    Forest Court had become very run down and very few shops remained, conveniently hidden beneath the atrium. The boarding up has simply confirmed it to all. A dose of reality. A time for Dorridge to review its future direction.

    Be thankful it's Dorridge and not Cyprus then we really would have something to worry about.



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    1. At least it would be sunny.

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    2. to 22:34
      I might agree with you if it was just about a Store, but it isn't. Don't forget the GP surgery, coffee shop, and the fact that Sainsbury's are landlord to many smaller shops too.

      Whilst it would have been lovely if Village Residents could have regenerated the village that is just not realistic. Sainsbury's paid over £10m for the site and probably another £5m on PR, security etc. There were no attempts by residents to regenerate in the years before Sainsbury's came along so we don't really have a leg to stand on in that regard.

      Your comments about Justin King's responsibilities make is sound as though you work for the company - it is true that we are in economic turmoil, but Sainsbury's profits are increasing and Dorridge is still affluent. Nothing has changed detrimentally since end 2011 when the revised plans were submitted. If it was viable at the end of 2011, then there is no reason for it not to viable now.

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    3. I can assure you I don't work for Sainsbury's but I am sure any decision they make will not be based on emotion but on cold, hard facts.

      I enjoy the coffee shop but why, during the day, is it nearly always empty, where are the locals? Is it going to be any busier when a big supermarket is across the road creating noise and traffic? If we want local businesses to thrive we have to support them now, not tomorrow or the next day but today. Forest Court is a prime example of what happens when we don't.

      Regeneration is not just about shops it's about community involvement, creativity and pride.

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  6. Back on planet earth. I think many people would like to sign the petition don't know where to go to sign it - I don't for one.
    Also - I believe the many of the antis who would have preferred a smaller store will go along with what is proposed, as planning was given, rather than have the site stay as it is.
    I believe Waitrose in Knowle has now been put back until the Autumn which is probably just another way of saying indefinitely.
    We have to do what we can to try and get Sainsbury's moving. Well done to people who are at least trying to.
    JP

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    1. Petition link below, or above in the article itself

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  7. 22.34 agree with you 100%

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  8. why do you believe that 'many of the antis ... would go along with what is proposed'. At the moment its a mess, but its a quiet mess with fewer cars and lorries. I didnt want it and I'd rather it be boared up than be a supermarket. I dont care about any petition and I very much doubt that Justin King does either. This is business not a game of cards.

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    1. I don't want it either and I agree with your sentiments.

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  9. I agree it can stay boarded up for ever as far as I am concerned. That way it will cost Sainsbury money and the village will remain just that.

    Of course it would be nice to see the area tidied up but given a choice between the status quo and an oversized supermarket I vote for the former.

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    1. Sounds a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face to me!

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  10. You can sign the petition by clicking on the link in line one of the Silhilian article itself(its highlighted). Otherwise try this link. Hope it works for you (retyped below just in case)

    The recent article in Private Eye has led to a few people from outside our area signing in support too.

    http://www.change.org/users/dorridgesainsburys

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  11. Has anybody thought about contacting Watchdog, You know how Anne Robinson loves to get her teeth into the big supermarkets.

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  12. I do not understand anyone who thinks keeping the centre of Dorridge as it is is the best option. I would have liked a smaller store and a pretty green area and little individual attractive shops. It just wasn't ever realistic though. What was proposed and passed was/is a good option.
    Watchdog and similar consumer programmes - would be great to get on there.

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  13. Great idea Watchdog, I'm sure Anne Robinson would grill Justin King to death, especially as he was brought up in the area.

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  14. what has justin king being brought up in the area got to do with it? i'd like to know how come so many people in dorridge live in great big houses with obviuosly loads of money when they seem to all be so thick

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    1. Jealousy rings a bell!

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    2. its relevant insofar as its a potential PR embarrassment for a company that claims to be "values based". Sainsbury's would no doubt argue it makes no difference at all, but other parts of the Country currently opposing plans are now citing Dorridge as their nightmare scenario.

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    3. I still don't see the relevance of Justin King being brought up in Dorridge. Preferential building in Dorridge simply to keep past neighbours, friends and family happy would hardly be termed "values based" behaviour and in my mind would be a greater reason to feel embarrassed.

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  15. The simplest solution would be to plant a few trees around the site to mask the view. Would Sainsbury's rush out to chop them all down? I'm sure we could raise enough cash and people power in the village to achieve that. It is called Forest Court after all....





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  16. The link below may be one of the reasons that Sainsbury's has decided to "delay" the start of the project here! Clearly there is more money to be made down south.

    http://t.co/OiD632xHhG

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  17. Please also sign on
    http://www.change.org/users/dorridgesainsburys

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  18. I think that Watchdog is a wonderful idea, is someone going to contact them?
    If we can't have trees have we got a local artist who could paint them (I mean well) on the dreadful wood we have at the moment, at least it would only be like looking at a nice picture.

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  19. Does anybody know how to contact Watchdog?

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  20. Just go via the BBC website

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  21. I did it a while ago but not hard in others trying too

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  22. The whole project is a fiasco. This is an outrageous miscalculation by Sainsbury in terms of the strength of feeling from the people of Dorridge. They appear to have a total disregard for the residents in the Dorridge community. The whole thing makes me feel very sad. Lots of people have an opinion, but what are we going to do about it? A strong leader with influence & business acumen is required to galvanise the 'Dorridge Team' into positive action.

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  23. I can't agree more. I notice that the Facebook is not getting as many messages as this site or the amount that went on the first Silhillian site. I suspect that many find this easier to understand and leave messages on. I do take your point that the project needs a firm leadership that can suggest action, I think that the facebook is doing all they can, but action is needed, perhaps with people joining hands around the site all night (when it gets warmer) and getting the news reporters there. Perhaps people giving out leaflets outside the local Sainsburys etc. As I am well over 70 now I can't take the lead, but I am sure that someone out there could. If Sainsburys are not going to develop the site, they perhaps will let the shops on a short term lease to small businesses, at least it would look better.
    Hope someone young can take a lead.

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  24. I hate to state the obvious, but as you have only about 350 sign the petition, of those I think about half judging by the places they live are friends of other who have signed and very few coming in on facebook, they also seem to be the same names and I must agree more on the Silhillian, it look as most people living in and around Dorridge are not really bothered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  25. You are spot on, I'm afraid Dorridge doesn't have much in the way of community spirit. Through school and other projects I know a lot of people who live in Dorridge, but I hardly ever see people I know in the village centre - not now or even before Forest Court closed. Very few of them use Dorridge facilities at all which to me just shows that there is no wish to have a close community spirit.
    Sad but a supermarket would not bring Dorridge the community that it really needs.

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  26. If only we had an active Residents Association!

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    1. Well why don't you do something about it then, and offer your servicrs to the chairman of DDRA, i'm sure he would be delighted!

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  27. Yes, we need one like Knowle Society that really holds Knowle together and get them all fighting for what they want, at the moment it is to stop building on the old by-pass.
    Knowle has always had a very good community spirit and Dorridge never seems to have had, I know as my parents lived there for 20 years. Then moved to Knowle and really enjoyed that community spirit.

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    1. It's no good saying what you think we need, and sitting back waiting for someone else to take action. What we need is a leader to rally the troops & then all do something about this awful situation, rather than be whinging passive bystanders! My 15 year old daughter has lots of good ideas. Young people see things with such simplicity & clarity. What about an open air meeting with local press on the steps in front of the derelict monstrosity! Let's get Sainsbury's in the public eye for what they've done to Dorridge!

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    2. so go ahead and organise it then!

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  28. I did have some suggestion on the 30th at 23.30 about joining hands etc. and getting the press there, but you are the only one that has sort of agreed. My whole point was that we need to take action and not just write on facebook, but as I said before I am well over 70 and not in good health otherwise I would love to take action, perhaps get the teenagers to come up with something and get the press there, you have got to get it out further than Knowle and Dorridge. Perhaps hire a big screen and show it at some big events, that would get a message back to Sainsburys. As the saying goes ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.
    Come on your young Dorridge people have a go!!!!!!!

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  29. I see that Crobsy in Liverpool has won, I am not surprise as I come from at least 4 generations from Liverpool and you can be sure they will really fight for what they want and really keen to do so, they got 7,500 people to fight against the store, come on Dorridge, you can do it, trouble is the people from Liverpool expect to fight for what they want and around here we expect someone else to do it.

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  30. Talking of Liverpool, I remember a few years ago they got massive publicity as they tyed yellow ribbins to everything in site in an area to get, I think someone freed from another country. How about putting orange ribbins all over Dorridge on trees lamp posts and in gardens and getting in touch with the BBC/ITV and saying we will not take down until Sainsburys sorts the mess out?

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    1. Nice idea. May sainsburys orange bags??

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  31. I hope this is a joke!! Dorridge is starting to look like the proverbial child that throws it's toys out of the cot when it doesn't get it's own way.

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  32. Yes, it is but it would get us noticed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and many on this site seem to want action, but not do anything themselves.

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  33. Yes, Sainsburys Orange Bags even better.

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  34. I don't want action and don't want to do anything. I like Forest Court just the way it is, much better than a great big supermarket. Be careful what you wish for...

    How many people on this board have moved to Dorridge and thus made an active choice of wanting to live here? The majority I would wager. Would you have made that choice if the village centre was dominated by a Sainsbury's supermarket?

    "Oh yes, we're moving. We've bought a house in Dorridge"

    "I've heard of Dorridge but can't quite place it"

    "You know, the village with the big Sainsbury's in the middle of it..."

    "Oh how wonderful!"

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    1. How short sighted of you!
      You want the village centre to further stagnate and die with a derelict shopping centre! ha ha, priceless!
      How long have you lived in the village I wonder?

      Substitute 'Sainsbury's' for 'derelict shopping centre' and you have exactly the same result.
      Oh, how wonderful!!

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  35. I think that the residents of Dorridge, reading Facebook and this site need to get together and at meeting for all the village and decide what they do want. If it is to get rid of Sainsburys that they all want then go for it, if it is that you all want it the go for it, but make up your minds, you will never get any where the way you are all go on as you are just pulling against each other and that way you will get what you get, so get together and decide what you do want, then people won't waste there time on something that nobody wants.

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  36. The residents of Dorridge don't have a collective identity, despite what DDRA would like to think. The elected councillors are the nearest we have, but their decisions are limited to current national and local policy and that has got us into the the current position. Some people never wanted Sainsbury's, some people didn't even think about it very much. The centre has never been a pretty quintisential English village with cricket pitch and maypole, and never will be. A supermarket is not the answer and would soon lose its shine and gloss, and become just as bad as what we have now.

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  37. Caroline might help us, c'mon DDRA organise a residents meeting, get Sainsbury's there, local politicians - Bring Dorridge Day forward, apply for street closure. Bring out the people of Dorridge to stand and be counted. Invite Midlands Today, local radio. Get families involved. Get Heathers Kitchen doing hotdogs. Make it an event where we can showcase our community spirit. Or..........do nothing!!!

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  38. This is the best thing I have heard so far and I think something that the residents have got to do or they will never get anywhere. If the overall feeling is NO to Sainsburys the say so and work to get them to sell the site, but make sure they build a new Surgery and Chemist as that was what got us in this mess.
    The residents must all agree on a way forward.

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  39. The residents don't agree. The only group that actually did anything was drovs who actually came up with an alternative workable scheme. Where's the next generation drovs?

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    1. Workable for everyone but Sainsbury's unfortunately and subsequently a non starter.

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    2. Anyone who thinks the solution is to encourage a major corp to build a supermarket in a village setting is barking mad. Just think about it.

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    3. Let's invite M&S into the discussion. I think Simply M&S could do very well in Dorridge! Anyone know who their Business Development Manager is?

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    4. Whilst all the above ideas are great, they are overlooking one simple fact. sainsburys own the site and have been through due process. It is alas therefore a one horse race, and the horse seems to have given up.
      Anyone got any carrots?

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  40. Why do we even need a supermarket in Dorridge, we already have a small Tesco. Knowle has tesco & almost Waitrose, Bentley Heath has the Coop, and 5mins drive is Tesco in Shirley for your big shop.

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    1. Well said. We totally agree with you.

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    2. We don't need one....

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    3. ...and by that same token...we don't need hairdressers, a post office, a butcher etc, etc. because Knowle and Bentley Heath have them.
      Really? Think about it!

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    4. What an a**e! I think a supermarket is slightly different to a hairdressers, a post office, a butcher etc, etc. Think about it!

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  41. How true!!

    Everyone is so blinkered with the fact Sainsburys have halted on development, when in actual fact lets look at the bigger picture... WE DONT NEED A SUPERMARKET.

    Let Sainsburys development Forest Court into a pleasant area, maybe have a few independant shops, but also have a focal point to the centre of Dorridge. We have a lovely park so dont need another.

    I bet nobody remembers what stood on Forest Court before the shops? Well it had lovely cottages.

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    1. Sainsbury's won't develop Forest Court into anything other than a supermarket. Independent shops have already been in Forest Court but due to consumer trend are not longer sustainable...if they were Forest Court would be thriving?
      We need something to happen in the village centre and if that's a supermarket so be it.

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    2. Let's remember that the village was split pretty much 50:50 about this proposed supermarket. Sainsbury have had the opportunity to develop the site and have chosen not to do so. In my opinion this is a ploy on their part so that when they come back with a third (larger) scheme we will be so keen to have the site tidied up we will accept almost anything.

      The council are the biggest villians in this fiasco closly followed by big business.

      SMBC should cmake a compulsory purchase order if Sainsbury will not proceed with the agreed plans.

      Just for the sake of completeness I believe the site is totally unsuitable for a store of the size already approved.

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  42. I remeber Dorridge well before Forest Court and it was very busy, which is why it was thought a good idea to build the court, then Super Markets came in and after that Dorridge was not so busy, It remained busy until Bishops/Budgens pulled out then it went down hill. Samll shops will never pay as people seem to go to other places rather than support Dorridge. What it needs is a small M & S and then small shops will pay!

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  43. I think Aldi should build on forest court... it will be built and open in 6 weeks.


    IT'S A JOKE !!!!!!!

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    1. LOL. At least Aldi will be cheaper than Sainsbury's, we could have cheaper groceries.

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    2. I'm up for an Aldi, save a fortune on my shopping, I often go to Aldi in Shirley. I live on Avenue Road, although I'm pretty sure most of my neighbours would snub a store like this in Dorridge.

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    3. Thumbs up for ALDI

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  44. The island of land bordered by Forest Road, Avenue Road, Station Approach and Station Road I believe is still owned by Dorridge Estates ( Muntz Trust). Sainsbury’s have acquired a long term lease on the land on which Forest Court sits, some of the shops on Station Approach and presumably the surgery. Is there anyone who can find out if Dorridge Estates placed any conditions on the development of the land; certainly leasehold houses built on Dorridge Estate land have terms stipulating what can and what cannot be developed.

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  45. Does anyone know who owns the doctors' surgery?

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  46. I know that the Forest Hotel is still owned by the Muntz Trust and is given out on a long lease. Perhaps the same goes for the whole site.

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  47. Perhaps "Anyone" could actually do something to find out the answers? If you are SO desperate to find out if Sainsburys actually owns to land, get online, pay a fiver to get hold of Dorridge Estate's accounts for the last five years and look for significant additions to the cash balances or disposals of capital assets! All through this thread 'someone' and 'anyone' , 'I think' or 'I believe' and 'perhaps' are thrown around by people eager to chip in their two-penneth worth but seemingly not bothered enough to actually do any research. If you care, get some facts and do something to educate, if you don't then you have nothing to add.

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    1. Who got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. :)

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  48. So everyone....looking forward to the Sainsbury's Garage & convenience shop then? I for one will not be supporting that establishment. I'd rather pay a little bit more at Box Trees Garage than line Sainsbury's pockets after what they've done to our village!

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    1. Spot on.

      Why should we allow Sainsbury's to continue with this development after the way they have split and devided the peacefull village of Dorridge.

      Look at the state of it, appalling.

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  49. I do agree this site is getting very negative without anyone doing anything, just expecting someonelse to do it. What is needed is a village meeting called for all the residents by the residents ass. and give jobs out to people to do, like find out facts or plan protests or who should write letters, the residents ass. should pull it all together, then something might happen.
    Knowle Society manages in Knowle, so we should be able to do it in Dorridge.

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    1. I have happily paid a subscription to support DDRA over the years, but it seems when there is a real cause to fight they too have gone quiet on us residents. There seems to be plenty of support but it needs leadership & organisation. DDRA we need you please! Rally the troops - let's see if people want their village centre back before it decays to the point of complete dereliction & becomes a Health & Safety hazard! A good start would ve to collect names of supporters of a campaign rather than everyone being anonymous!

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  50. Good idea, how about Saturday 20th April at about 3pm, where else but at Forest Court.

    A week gives everybody reading the Silhillian plenty of time to rearrange their diaries, no excuses.... or will I find myself stood there alone?

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  51. You can count me in.

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  52. LETTER FROM JUSTIN KING TODAY. ANNOUNCEMENT END APRIL SO YOU MAY WISH TO DEFER UNTIL WE HAVE SEEN THE CONTENT OF THE ANNOUNCMENT SO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WIHT?

    Dear Dorridge-Village Campaign Team,

    Thank you for your email. Please be assured that we are aware of the frustrations felt by residents, both individually and collectively.

    Our development team recently met with the council regarding the site. We do not yet have a confirmed timeframe but we will provide an update to the community at the end of April.

    As you will now be aware, Sainsbury’s has received full planning permission for the petrol station works on Grange Road and I am happy to confirm that our contractor commenced work on Monday 8th April.

    The work will take approximately 8 weeks and we hope to open the petrol station early this June.

    If you have any further questions, please contact Sainsbury’s Regional Development Manager, Ben Littman, at ben.littman@sainsburys.co.uk or you can write to him at Sainsbury’s Dorridge, Freepost BM 8409, Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, B61 7BR.

    Yours sincerely

    Justin King

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  53. So the Council have had a meeting with Sainsbury's! When will we know the outcome of that?
    There must be some news they can pass on?

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