Thursday, 25 April 2013

Updated: Sainsbury's announce store changes

SAINSBURY’S is to submit revisions to its stalled plan for Dorridge – to include more floor space - and said work will start within six months if approved.

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The firm said the store – approved in November 2011 –will be reconfigured to allow some non-food goods.

It would open by Christmas 2014 if approved. It originally planned to open this year.

Sainsbury’s put the plan onhold for the “year ahead” in February because of the downturn in the economy. A larger 2,462sqm store plan was refused in March 2010.

The firm would start demolition in the autumn so the core of the store can be built, said Dorridge& District Residents Association chairman Ian Spencer.

He said Sainsbury’s warehousing space will be cut and the colleagues’ area rearranged to create 300sqm more retail floor space, making a total 2,112sqm. Sainsbury's said 300sqm is a "ball park figure".

A temporary Dorridge Practice will open on the car park while the GP surgery is refurbished and extended, said Mr Spencer, who has discussed plans with the firm.

He said: “We are assured that there are no other significant changes: all the road scheme, pharmacy, planting, car parking, cafe/restaurant units surgery agreements remain.”

Mr Spencer said: “Sainsbury’s hope that the small increase in store floor area, which they suggest is in part a reaction to the changing retail environment, will not be seen as too controversial and it is emphasised that this is an internal rearrangement.”
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He added: “We suspect that the relatively small change is not going to have a significant impact.”

Mr Spencer said: “We feel that the rapid development of the store is preferable to the uncertainty and delay.”

Sainsbury’s said the changes “do not seek to change the key aspects of size, location of access or the creation of a village square which were key to the original consent”. 

Work would start this year if Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council gives permission, it said. Sainsbury’s is expected to put in a planning application in May.

It said: "Sainsbury’s has committed to start works within six months of such consent being granted, which should enable the development to be completed by Christmas 2014."

Chief executive Justin King said: “We appreciate the patience and continuing support of residents and I would like to reassure the local community that the amendments will not affect the approved overall building size or the overall look and feel of the development. 

“Changes will include the reconfiguration of the floor space, to allow for the inclusion of some non-food goods within the Sainsbury’s store, which are currently unavailable for purchase in Dorridge. We will continue to keep the community updated as we progress.”

Meriden MP Caroline Spelman said she met Mr King at Sainsbury's HQ yesterday to discuss the delay.


She said:“I welcome today’s news. Local people have been unhappy about 50 per cent of Dorridge footprint being boarded up but today’s announcement that the development should be completed for Christmas 2014 is encouraging. 

"The potential viability of the project is affected by the permission granted to Waitrose to open a store in Knowle but, with some internal re-configuration, Sainsbury’s believe they can make the scheme work while keeping key features local people wanted.”

Anyone with questions can call regional development manager Ben Littman on 02476 529 050 or Amy Kershaw on Sainsbury’s Freephone 0800 975 5299.

Update: Sainsbury's said the figures given by Mr Spencer are correct but are a "ball park" figure and no final decision has been made prior to the planning application going in.

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214 comments:

  1. Seems like good news, although every time that Dorridge shakes hands with Sainsburys going forward, it should count its fingers afterwards.

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  2. I wouldn't have thought a few non food items would have made such a difference to a store's viability. I wonder what they'll be?

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  3. There are many, many residents who opposed a development of the original size. Now they want to increase it! I trust Mr Spencer represented their views in his cosy discussions with lovely Sainsbury's.

    Quite simply the more stuff they sell, the bigger the store, the more noise, pollution, traffic and inconvenience is brought to a largely residential area. What will they want to do next - expand into the independent retail units? Increase the opening hours? Add more floodlights? Stretch the window for delivery times? You just can't trust them.

    Sainsbury's should either build the store that Dorridge has more-or-less democratically agreed on, or sod off and stop holding residents to ransom. Whatever the economic conditions, Sainsbury's have proven that they are ethically bankrupt!

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  4. and here we are more or less back to square one. I always said no store needs that much back of house space and so I was proven right, it was a ruse all along.
    Dorridge is mad to accept this. why do we want to buy our washing machines from a village store? this will be the end of our village and the beginning of a superstore nightmare. don't let them do it.
    Ian spencer you do not represent me, get your act together now or Dorridge will be lost forever. Councillors please do not roll over on this. there will be no going back once it's gone.

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  5. If it is an internal reshuffle can't see any problem. Can't wait to see what the such precious non-food items are.

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    1. Can't see any problem? If they up the floorspace now by c.15% then everything else goes up in similar proportions: deliveries, cars to battle with on the way to the doctors. Also selling non-food goods is a major shift - I doubt you'd be saying there was no problem if you ran the sports shop in Bentley Heath.

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    2. nope - no problem at all....

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    3. @matthew There isn't a sports shop in Bentley Heath. Are you even local? :-)

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    4. Er the shop I was referring to is: http://www.widneysports.co.uk/ - next to the Co-op.

      Perhaps they should replace it with a Specsavers 14:59 :-)



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      Do you know that Widney Sports closed due to pressure from supermarkets or are you assuming?
      Last time I checked you couldn't buy skis in the supermarket.

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    6. Er - when was the last time you looked at it Matthew? Have a quick look the next time you're in the area. It's been closed for over 12 months.

      Companies House lists Widney Sports Ltd as in Liquidation since 2011.

      Maybe *you* should consider a trip to Specsavers next time you're out.

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  6. so how are we to get our dishwashers and kettles home on our bicycles, on the train, on foot etc. I thought the small car park was to encourage people to come by public transport or on foot. What a load of cr.p

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  7. presume this will mean an increase in deliveries as well

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  8. The Store has the same external footprint. Any retailer can apply to change the internal configuration of their store, at any time. The Co-op did it recently in Bentley Heath, as did Tesco in Knowle.

    Having made the announcement in Feb, Sainsbury's were never going to just say, in response the recent Please Just Get On And Build campaign, "oh, Ok then...". They have, not surprisingly sought to squeeze as much retail space out of the build as they can. Who can blame them?

    Any announcement to build was always going to be bad news for those who never wanted the store. However, given Sainsbury's HAVE got planning permission, in the grand scheme of things this has been a very, very, successful turn-around.

    PS I think the comments above about Ian - or anyone else for that matter - are rude and unnecessary.

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    1. Why are the comments about DDRA/Ian unnecessary? Surely it goes with the turf? What mandate does he have to represent the views of Dorridge? Other than his personal views on the matter, what does he have to discuss with Sainsbury's? I think DDRA need to be clear on that.

      Oh, importantly 13:37 - they DO NOT have planning permission for a store this size. "Sainsbury’s is expected to put in a planning application in May." (above). Trading areas and what's sold will be a pivotal consideration.

      That's why Ian's response matters - support from DDRA - is a key win for Sainsbury's in steamrolling through a store that's now 15% beigger than the one that 1200+ people campaigned against.

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    2. Matthew, judging by your very strident views, it seems you too think you represent the views of Dorridge, otherwise you would not have the nerve to be so forthright.

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    3. I would never claim to represent the views of anyone except myself - and I'm even sure I'm doing that very well. :)

      There are a lot of strident views on here - what do you expect, it's "the internet"!? The only difference you get with me is that I put a name on them. I do that because I think it's important to have a bit of integrity. Anyone can be Anonymous.

      Don't you think it's important to question the way these decisions are made 17:42?

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    4. ^NOT even sure. (See, I told you I didn't know what I was on about.)

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  9. Sainsbury's have clearly said the non-food items will be those that are not currently available in Dorridge - you don't have to buy them - what's the problem??

    The negativity on the blog is utterly draining. With any luck Sainsbury will stock anti-depressants for you.....

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  10. 13:43 re the non-food items. It's not about Dorridge - nothing apart from greetings cards is now available here! What about the shops in Knowle and Bentley Heath?

    The key thing about non-food is that a 'click and collect' operation sudddenly turns this from an impulse grocery type operation to a destination store - people shopping online will be invading Dorridge to collect furniture, TVs, etc. That will push the traffic attracted beyond the 15% increase in floorspace I suspect. (Sainsbury's made-up figures will doubtless be examined as part of the planning process.)

    Personally, I don't need anti depressants as I don't have a compulsion to constantly visit these joyless horsemeat-flogging consumer-dromes. Happy shopping!

    M.

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    1. Just out of interest M, where do you shop!!
      Don't tell me, you source all your produce locally and only use products that are sustainably generated.
      I applaude your proud boast that you don't use supermarkets (and presumably will be boycotting the Dorridge Sainsbury's?) but quite honestly don't believe you.
      See you there!

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    2. M,
      Not sure how long you've lived locally but there used to be a TV shop in Dorridge, a furniture shop etc. All things that people drove to buy and collect. With that in mind how is Sainsbury's selling such items such a big issue?

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    3. No, I do not knit my own yoghurt. We have our shopping delivered (from the multinational conglomerate,Asda!) then top up at smaller more bearable shops like the Coop, butchers, Wing Yip,M&S Aldi - wherever... I can't bear pushing a trolley round a big store. Huge waste of time and utterly soul sapping. I doubt I will boycott the store though. I'm not anti-supermarket - I am anti the size of this one in what is a nice, safe place to live and raise a family. No other 'village' I can think of has a store this big. Plus I object to Sainsbury's treating us like mugs.

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    4. PS 18.38 - an independent furniture shop in Dorridge would presumably need to sell the kind of furniture WE all wanted to buy. Whereas Sainsbury's sell the kind of furniture THEY want to sell. I think that is an important distinction and when people say the supermarkets are taking over,I think that's partly what they mean.

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    5. I find your views kind of idealistic Matthew, and unrealistic. You appear to be trying to push water up hill by fighting against supermarkets market share whilst also happily utilising and benefiting from the services they provide. Is this purely a NIBI attitude?
      Shopping culture changed so long ago that the place for independents selling furniture it at best niche nowadays. Unfortunate, yes but time move on.
      I agree with your stance about shopping being a waste of time, it's not something I willingly do either but if I have to do it I appreciate having it all in one place so it can be as an efficient experience as I can make it.
      I was raised in Dorridge and hate the way the village is nowadays, I long for the thriving days of the past (with the traffic, both commercial and private) but also realise they won't reappear in the same guise again. Not realistic! I'm trying to embrace change and understand that I have to compromise.
      Cheers
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  11. since Forest Court was closed by Sainsburys Dorridge sells very little. the card shop, butchers, off licence, takeaways would all suffer whatever the size of store, but the bigger they are, the more stuff they sell, the more far reaching the hands to throttle the independents out of business. the hairdressers, nailbars and dentists will also suffer if no-one can park to use them and don't get me started on the doctors.
    yes this is negative but having your village run by two supermarkets is a very negative way forward. many dorridge residents dont seem to have cottoned on to that yet.

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    1. 12.39 I agree with everything you say.

      Revitalisation of the village centre - get off the grass!!! If they are permitted to sell non food items that just about wipes out any other retailers investing in Dorridge.
      "Sainsbury's Dorridge you're one shop stop" - easily accessible by train or bus.

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    2. I like a few hundred yards away and I think its great news!

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    3. From what I've heard from the current retailers in Dorridge, they can't wait for Sainsbury's to open.
      They need the footfall.

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  12. it amazes me that villages and towns all over the country are fighting off the big supermarkets whereas dorridge can't seem to get enough of them. am i mising something here?

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  13. IS THIS A CASE OF WE'LL SELL WHATEVER WAITROSE DONT

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  14. My arthimetic isn't great but doesn't this mean we are back to a store the size of the one initially proposed. You have got to hand it to Sainbury they really are clever scheming little b........

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    1. Regarding their previous plans Sainsbury's say:

      "The reduction quoted refers to the sales area, the size that will affect the number of people that choose to visit the store because it affects the amount of goods on offer" [source: http://www.sainsburysdorridge.co.uk/the-facts.php]

      Regarding the reversal of this reducation, Sainsbury's spokesman Ian Spencer says: "we suspect that the relatively small change is not going to have a significant impact" [source: http://www.dorridge.org.uk/2013/04/24/sainsburys-announce-autumn-start-for-development2/]

      Either it matters or it doesn't. Don't insult our intelligence!

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  15. Supermarket or superpower - when will people realise, it is always superpower, which is why most communities fight against them. A very sad day for Dorridge and a disaster for those living near the centre of the village.

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  16. What does that woman campaigning for them to start have to say?
    I hope the clllrs stab firm against this but they are a fickle Lilly liveried bunch so not much hope.

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    1. Lynda? Sure you are reading - are you happy to support a bigger store. Or do you think the people poweer you have harnessed should be used to make them deliver the one we'd all agreed on?

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    2. Hi - just got home and reading the comments....I feel for those who were against the store - we had differing views in our family about it, which were probably a microcosm of views across the community.

      However once the planning was passed I just became incensed that the site could be left as it was, which was no good for the remaining independent retailers and exacerbated negativity all round; those against saying "we told you so", and those in favour feeling let down.

      I am delighted the campaign has been successful in getting Sainsbury's to come off the fence, which was all I ever set out to do.

      As has been said above, Co-Op in Bentley Heath, and Tesco in Knowle have all undergone changes to try and make best use of the space they have available. All try to squeeze as much retail space out of what they have. Most of these submissions for internal changes just go under the radar - this one isn't.

      Many people on this site will disagree with me, but I believe that it is up to Sainsbury's to decide how they can make most profitable use of the space they have available. What will drive the how busy Dorridge gets is how many people shop there; I don't think the proposed extra retail space is going to lead to a massive influx of additional customers - more likely people will spend more when they do shop (unless you have boycotted it), which is no doubt what Sainsbury's are hoping.

      The external footprint is in-tact and the GP surgery improvements likewise. So long as this stays the case I am OK with it.

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    3. Lynda - well done for getting Sainsbury's off the fence. The fact that they are using your hard work to justify an even bigger store is unfortunate; surely you'd agree it makes them look very shady!

      We may not agree on this but you have certainly shown what can be achieved by holding companies to account. If only DDRA had your attitude, Dorridge might have had a little more influence over the shape of this development.

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  17. We'll all be wearing gok for Christmas 2014

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  18. Not sure Dorridge is going to be "run by two supermarkets". What about the opportunities for business in the other units that are being built, not to mention the existing shop units around Dorridge that are vacant?

    Surely the hairdressers, nailbars and dentists would benefit from greater footfall in Dorridge - people who shop at the new Sainsbury's are surely likely to use other services in the village? Sorry, but I just don't see how a dentist's business would be negatively affected by a Sainsbury's - do you?

    I know people will cite parking (what a hobby horse), but I just don't buy that.

    Somebody earlier talked about Dorridge being "invaded", which is laughable really - don't we want to encourage some commerce and bustle? It's practically like a ghost village as it is now.

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    1. On the contrary - the dentist's business will do well out of the Sainsbury's, what with all the sugary food they plan to sell.

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    2. Invaded is a bit strong, but there will undeniably be a significant influx of people and pollution. That's a given.

      I'd say it's more accurate than the claims of the JustinKingHome group who said that the site looks like "a war zone" :)

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    3. We've been 'flattered' by the lack of people in the village for too long now. Dorridge was a commercial centre once and all 'we' are asking is that it is returned to one. Sure pollution is a by-product of the extra people but that's what we had before so don't get misty eyed by the 'peace and quiet' we now have.

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    4. I happen to love Dorridge as a ghost village and it has pretty much everything I need to live comfortably. It is peaceful and a relatively safe environment for the young and elderly members of our community and I see nothing wrong in wishing it to remain so. I do not look forward to the commerce and bustle that you mention.
      I cannot understand the obsession people have with shops and shopping when there are so many more wonderful things to do with one's time. The thought of turning a shopping expedition to Sainsbury's into a social occasion is quite beyond me.

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    5. ...but that was what Dorridge was, a commercial centre. What we have now is the villages' decline. Sure it may be safer due to lack of traffic but this is not why people gravitated to Dorridge.
      What brought you to the village and when if you don't mind me asking? Local facilities, transport links?

      Is it sustainable in it's current state? I do hope not and I don't think anyone has considered 'a shopping expedition to Sainsbury's' a social event...accept you up to now. But what's about a trip to the regenerated village centre? There may be scope there for more than just shopping at Sainsubury's? Who knows.

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  19. DDRA have absolutely no mandate to represent anyone except themselves. They should not even comment on something so deepy invasive into the lives of people living in Dorridge. How bloody dare they.

    And to those who have supported this grossly misguided campaign to get Sainsbury's to progress its build programme, shame on you all. Like everyone in Dorridge, you will rue this day for evermore.

    A boarded up Forest Court is massively preferable to a superstore.

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    1. Cut off nose to spite face!!

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    2. Well said 18.42

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    3. I agree, get Sainsbury's to get out what Dorridge needs is more housing especially more 'affordable', and housing association stuff, force the doctors to relocate out of the village, just leaving a presence, perhaps an 'Aldi' and a few pound shops, then perhaps it will be quaint enough

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    4. 22:42 Like your style!!:)
      Affordable housing and Aldi, that really would bring the NIBI's out in a rash!!

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    5. I love Aldi. Wish there was one near Knowle!

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  20. Spot on 18.42. If DDRA had bothered to look beyond the age group and personal profile of the people on their committee, they might find more sympathy for their unequivocal pro-store stance. DROVS, Sainsbury's and the local papers all polled people (albeit unscientifically). DDRA have never bothered. Discourteous is putting it diplomatically.

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  21. THIS IS FANTASTIC NEWS!!

    About ten years ago when my wife and I were searching for somewhere idyllic to bring up our young family we discovered Dorridge. At the time I distinctly remember us both remarking on how perfect it was in every respect but one. Yes it had parks, good schools, excellent transport links, and a clean, safe environment for everyone. But it clearly lacked a major retail store run by a national corporation right at its heart! Oh how we wished for this wrong to be righted.

    Thank you DDRA, thank you Lynda, thank you everyone else! The arrival af a huge Sainsbury's store right in the middle of Dorridge will be the cherry on our almost perfect cake. Hoorah! Take a bow! Well done! We all owe you such a debt of thanks...

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    1. This is a joke, right??

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    2. What a pr*t, if an idyllic area is better with a major supermarket, why did you not move to an area with a major supermarket?

      There really are some idiots on here.

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    3. Yeah, your kids will love growing up in a derelict ghost town won't they. They'll thank you for that too!

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    4. What strange lives people must lead if the quality of life is identified by the size of the village supermarket.

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    5. @10.30 - I think 21.26 was being heavily ironic.

      @10.33 - When did you last hear any kids asking for a day out to the supermarket? They can learn all about stuffed crust pizzas and how many varieties of cereal there are.

      There are plenty of attractions for people, whatever their age in Solihull or Birmingham. People chose to live here for the relaitve peace and quiet and good connections to the other stuff.

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    6. 11:07 Brilliant ironic observation(?)...but we're not talking about attractions for the kids are we!
      We're discussing the demise of our village centre and the option of regeneration. Returning it to a thriving commercial centre once more. The kind of things that Dorridge's reputation was built upon in the first place, that meant our schools improved, that made it an attactive proposition for young families; not the derelict centre that affords SOME people the quality of life/peace and quiet they strive for.
      Are you happy with 'your lot' as is and are a happy to see the demise of the village centre?
      I'm not and want better which I think this supermarket will bring.

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    7. A thriving commercial centre and a site for a large supermarket ain't necessarily the same thing though. If Tony the butcher doesn't have any ox tongue in, I bet he'd happily get you some. If the Station Cafe Bar was disturbing residents late at night, you could have a quick chat with the owners about it. Could you do that with Sainsbury's? I doubt it.

      No, I don't want a moribund village centre, but Sainsbury's have already shown they don't care about Dorridge and can't be trusted. Why make it easy for them to dominate the village for decades to come? This is all about the cash and convenience, not the community.

      There's a thriving village down the road in Knowle. There's a busy town centre 10 minutes away. There's a major city just 25 minutes away. Are you really so selfish 'J' that you have to have everything on your doorstep?

      (I bet I am replying to someone from Sainsbury's PR team anyway.)

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    8. 13:31 No, I'm not from Sainsbury's PR team.
      They may not be the same thing but both (supermarket and commercial vitality) would bring a revitalised Dorridge.
      I realise that there is very little hope of anyone else regenerating my village centre and am attempting to embrace the change, albeit with some compromises, but would rather see this supermarket that the derelict mess we currently have. Sure Knowle's thriving, why can't Dorridge? it did too once. I want a thriving village for my children to grow up in not a waste land.
      If that's being shelfish, so be it.
      PS What is it you would like to see?

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    9. Prat??? LOL

      I wrote that piece about how the idyll would be complete if only it had a supermarket in its centre.

      Sarcasm you PRAT!

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  22. I'm not sure what people are proposing as an alternative to Sainsbury's? We already have small useless supermarkets like Tesco in Knowle. The independent shops that Dorridge has had were nigh on useless. I think this Sainsbury's will totally transform the area and can't wait.

    @Matthew. You clearly don't live locally as the sports shop in Bentley Heath closed well over 12 months ago. I noticed this as I am local!

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    1. Why should anyone propose an alternative to Sainsburys?

      Just beacuse there isn't an immediate better outcome does not make the Sainsburys idea a good one.

      We plan to live here for a long time. Don't rush to an outcome.

      Rock on Matthew - you speaker of truth

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  23. I do live locally. I am about 5 minutes' walk from Forest Court. I wasn't aware the sports shop had closed but that sort of backs up my point that the big stores always win in the end.

    Yes, it will transform the area as it is vastly out of proportion.

    If anyone can name me a similar residential area where you can find a town-centre sized store like this one, they can have all my Nectar points. Don't all rush at once...

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    1. Matthew,
      You speak as though you know the reason Widney Sports ceased trading (supermarket domination) but didn't realise it had!!
      I'd be surprised if a niche sports shop was unduly affected by the supermarkets!??
      Good work fella!

      Stow on the Wold any good for your competition?? of do you have an excuse for everything?

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    2. Stow on the Wold. Terrbile comparison!

      Stow is an historic market town. It's always been a centre for trade. It also attracts a fair deal of tourists and it's on a major A-road - Fosse Way. The Tesco is located in a non residential area too. Unlike us, there are few alternatives locally - we have a giant Tesco just at the end of Gate Lane and 2 other Sainsbury's within 15 minutes.

      Keep them coming...

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    3. Dorridge was centre for trade too, once upon a time!

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    4. Stowe a centre for trade, yeah in the 1800's!!!
      How about Tetbury?

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    5. Nothing more on the demise of Widney Sports then??
      Was it as a result of the 'supermarkets' dominance' or you just getting your wires crossed?

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    6. Ok, I retract all comments about the demise of Widney Sports. I do need to visit an opticians. Is there one locally or do I have to go to Tesco? :)

      Now, what store have they got in Tetbury 13:05?

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    7. Tesco Superstore!
      Do you need to phone a friend or...
      (The tension is killing me!! :)

      PS: There's a lovely independent opticians in the Old Square in Dorridge if you ever get down there!!...don't leave it too late though it may not survive the 'supermarket dominance' like Widney Sports ;)

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    8. I've checked out Tetbury. It's called as a small town, not a suburban village, but the population is comparable. The Tesco is located out of the picturesque town centre on a little industrial estate - that's a bit like us having a supermarket up near the Fiat Garage.... oh hand on - isn't there a giant Tesco AT THE END OF GATE LANE?

      Sorry, no Nectar points for you J.

      I'm looking for the sort of place where a parade of village shops (takeways, hairdressers, chip shops, solicitors, pub, you know) have a large superstore the size of Morrisons SOlihull looming over them. Marston Green? Olton?

      M

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    9. Nice try Matthew but I think you've lost all your Nectar points!
      There are residential houses right opposite Tescos in Tetbury, it's in a residential area.
      Hand 'em over!!!

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    10. Well done 'J'. Unsurprisingly I have no Nectar points. (I don't want Justin King knowing my preferred flavour of soup.)

      I would be more than happy with a Tetbury-sized store, in an out-of-town location somewhere near Dorridge, assuming (as in Tetbury) there were no other supermarkets nearby. I'm not totally unreasonable you know. :)



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    11. Matthew you charlatan!! What no points!! What am I going to tel the Missus!!
      J

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  24. Non-food items include clothing and electrical goods, in spite of past assurances by Sainsburys staff at meetings that the store in Dorridge would definitely be a food store only.

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  25. I despair at the negative comments about the proposal. Will any of the "antis" give me an alternative? Waitrose, Morrisons, Aldi, Lidl. It has to be a chain, it has be a certain size to make it profitable. I am sure the lobbying by Linda et al, has workeed with Sainsburys.Now can the antis please shut up. We will never have a development, with a post office and artisan shops, so let us all work together for the rejuvenation of Dorridge as a commuter town.

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    1. Justin King's Sunbed26 April 2013 at 16:27

      Personally, I don't really care whether we have artisan shops and a post office. I just want nothing, like it is now!

      Residential use would be preferable given that there's a housing shortage. (I don't remember anyone saying there was a shopping shortage.)

      "It has to be a certain size to make it profitable". No, it has to be a certain size to make it REALLY, REALLY profitable. And given that Sainsbury's is a business, what's to say they wouldn't want to make it even bigger in future to make it EVEN MORE profitable. They wouldn't do that would they? Not without getting the thumbs up from DDRA first!



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    2. Bit rude telling people to "shut up" for having a different view. Perhaps you're a typical consumer. Me, me, me and sod the rest of you.

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    3. Sounds like you just don't care full stop!

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    4. @justin king's sunbed - you just don't understand return on investment do you? Why on earth would the owners of the land (the Muntz family I think, feel free to correct me everybody), who own the land, want to sell it for housing? What would the return be? It makes absolutely no sense. I've always felt that it's a bit stupid to be blaming Sainsbury's for doing what they do - it's like blaming a cow for eating grass. You should direct your anger at the (local) family who leased them the land, thinking only about their own pockets.

      It's their land. They do with it what they want. If you don't like living next to their land, move.

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    5. Justin King's Sunbed26 April 2013 at 18:30

      Er, no one told Lynda and Co to move
      when they were vociferously opposing the current eyesore.

      I precisely understand why Sainsbury's are prepared to do anything possible to maximise their ROI. PR, taking their ball home, creative architecture. Whereas you don't seem to understand that we have planning laws to prevent people doing what they want with their land.


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  26. BLACKMAIL, pure and simple.

    You have to stand up to bullies like Sainsbury .

    This was their plan from day one.

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    1. How right you are.

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  27. I think Sainsburys should withdraw completely and leave the bitter minority to their own personal misery . How long will it take them to find the next thing to agonise over ? And by the way , when did Dorridge become a " Village " as opposed to a railway station and hotel with a motley collection of shops plonked next to it .

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    1. Oh, I see, a settlement is termed a village when it has a large superstore in its midst.

      I actually think Dorridge is the perfect village; schools, churches, health care, village hall, cafe, hotel/pub, transport links, parks, sports clubs,more hairdressers per head of population than many I know and a small range of good shops that cater for every day needs and what's more it has managed to do all that and still be a quiet, peaceful place to live which is why it is a sought after place to live. For those that want the facilities of a town then I suggest they move to one and not destroy the village that many of us know and love.

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  28. Why does everyone come up with the argument about 'if not Sainsburys, then who'. I don't care. Nobody suits me. If a large supermarket is wrong, then everything else being more wrong doesn't make it right.

    This development will ruin Dorridge forever, and those who have campaigned for Sainsburys should hang their heads in shame. DDRA should resign en masse, and stop messing about in something so significant to the residents of Dorridge. Meddling fools, way out of their depth.

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    1. Me too. Idiots all of them. I bet Sainsburys couldn't believe their eyes when a middle-England location started to ask them to come and build a store. Unbelievable.

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    2. I don't think the question 'if not Sainsbury's then who' has to be answered by another supermarket brand name. There is just an absence of any other suggestions (realistic) on how our village centre can be revitalised!
      Anyone who says that the current situation suits them just fine I think is very short sighted.

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  29. Distorted of Dorridge26 April 2013 at 21:20

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    1. DDRA really should never have got involved.

      This subject is way beyond their mandate, as much as they even have one.

      Plant some flowers in pots on the station if you wish, but please do not write to a national corp and profess to represent anyone other than yourselves.

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  30. How many public meetings/open forums/referendums have DDRA organised for the community to have their say on this so that they could properly gauge the feelings of the community? Who instructed DDRA to take the stance they have?

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  31. And the bit you really couldn't make up? Well it's this: Facebook, the vehicle of choice for youth rebellion, has actually legitimised the sad demise of our lovely environment. Lynda starts a campaign page, and the rebellious youth sign up to fight the corporate machine. It's basically an anti-Sainsbury campaign. And the end result? The corporate machine gets a mandate to build its store in the centre of Dorridge, with the apparent support of the locals, as evidenced by a Facebook campaign which was, in reality, against the company and its tactics. Gullible doesn't even come close.

    Janis Joplin, Woody Guthrie, and all other campaigners against the machine will be turning in their graves. You've actually supported the outcome your enemy sought. Well done.

    And don't even get me started on DDRA...

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    1. Sad but very true!!

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    2. This land is my land, this land is my land
      From Poplar Road to the station island
      From The Forest carpark to the docile doctors
      This land was made for Sainsbury's.





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    3. Hi, just to correct a factual error - over 95% of the Facebook page are aged 35-55. Those who are younger have tended to support the page for employment reasons or because they think it looks a mess. Over 98% are local.

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  32. Good question 22.30. Does Mr Spencer read the blog?

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  33. I for one will NEVER pay a subscription to DDRA again.

    Mr Spencer and should hang his head in shame and RESIGN .

    Preferably now.

    How can the man carry on in the role when he knows the opposition to the manner in which he has a handled this issue.

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  34. Those of you that think Sainsbury's will encourage other businesses had better think again unless you just want more hairdressers, nail bars etc. I suggest you take a look at Sainsbury's website/online store and see just what could be included as non food items. They seem to have it all covered.
    Surely the councillors will see that the inclusion of non food items will not be conducive to encouraging independent retailers into the village and possibly damaging to those already trading in Dorridge, Bentley Heath and Knowle
    A very reluctant OK to Sainsbury's grocery store as approved but absolute no to non food items.

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  35. Yes, DDRA's intervention in the manner they promoted the scheme was incredibly ill-informed and even more damaging.

    Ironically, by legitimising the Sainsburys development of the site, they have significantly contributed to the destruction of the very thing they purport to protect, the quality of life in Dorridge.

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  36. OH WHAT SHORT MEMORIES YOU HAVE .....it wasn't that long ago that DROVS were clamouring over DDRA to get off the fence and come out on one side or other. They did in the end, and the truth is you just dont like the side of the fence they chose. It's such a shame that you think a bunch of well meaning volunteers are open to these comments. Your issue is surely with Sainsburys. The DDRA are just not that influential and I for one are appalled at the personalisation of these comments. And no, I have nothing to do with DDRA....

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  37. 'Well meaning' comes nowhere near to excusing what they did

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  38. Drovs asked ddra to have a public meeting so the true support or otherwise could be established. They never did and now about 10 people are supporting decisions that will change dorridge forever.

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    1. Exactly - it's a travesty

      Sainsburys and the council can now say that the residents want the development, based on some comms that resulted from a meeting of the DDRA 'committee' that met one night at one of their houses.

      Well thank you very much DDRA for ruining our locality

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  39. I was closely involved with DROVS at the time and recall that DDRA were challenged to come of the fence as their silence was seen to be lending tacit support to Sainsbury's. I don't think anyone thought that they would oppose the store - there'd have been no need for DROVS in that case!

    Here are some questions The Silhilian - or any other local journalists with a nose for a story might want to ask DDRA...

    1) What mandate do you have to represent the views of the whole village given than 1000+ signed a petition against a smaller store than the one proposed now?

    2) “We suspect that the relatively small change is not going to have a significant impact.” Did you challenge Sainsbury's to back this up with figures?

    3) Are any of your committee Sainsbury's shareholders?

    4) Are minutes available of the meeting you held with Sainsbury's? Were any local councillors present? Were Sainsbury's PR firm Gough Bailey Wright involved? Were you asked to present this in a positive light to residents?

    5) Can you understand why people may see this as Sainsbury's holding the village to ransom? Do you think Sainsbury's will be a good neighbour? Would you lend your support to an even larger development in future, longer opening hours or increased windows for deliveries - or have we reached a limit now?

    That's enough to be going on with.

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  40. Doesn't DDRA stand for Dorridge and District RESIDENTS Association? So why aren't the RESIDENTS consulted or involved in the decision making.

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  41. Does anyone Know when exactly [MONTH AND YEAR] when Sainsbury became the owner of the lease on Forest Court Precinct???

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  42. I understand that the only recent meeting held at the village hall was to be held after the AGM on a very cold night in the middle of winter, if the DDRA had really wanted to hear views, they would have held the Sainsbury,s part of the meeting first! and then people who wanted could have stayed on for the AGM.
    Sometimes in villages there are people who want to feel important and I think this looks like the DDRA fall into this in a big way. I think that someone needs to talk to a lawer and see what mandate a committee needs to represent a community and if the DDRA does not have it then there will have to be another meeting with Sainsburys. So see if what they have done is legal.

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  43. We need to get these questions and comments into the local and maybe national press quickly. Does anyone know if the local and planning committee councillors read this site?

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  44. The above few comments are amongst some of the most inaccurate and facile I have ever read. DDRA held meetings - I went along and was about 20 years younger than everyone else there ( I'm middle aged!)! most were in favour of the store and many reluctantly so (best option rather than perfect solution). Like many my age I therefore showed support on Facebook and the E petition. DDRA seem to have got a pretty good measure of how residents feel either by default or design, but I think you are putting far too much sway on their importance and seem to have a bit of a vendetta going. If you don't want the store then you would be better employed directing your vitriol at Sainsburys.

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  45. pottsadm@aol.com
    arebeiro@solihull.gov.uk
    I think Potts is on the planning committee if anyone wants to contact him. Or perhaps send this site.

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  46. Been away for the weekend - got back to the news.
    I am pleased but will only make one contribution to this forum to say so.
    119 comments made by approx 5 people I suspect is just a bit depressing.
    The 'banter' is all a bit weak and unhelpful as is the aggression.
    Well done DDRA, Caroline Spelman, Lynda Hatcher et al.
    Helen S

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    1. Helen - it's hardly a forum if people just post whether they are pleased or dipleased is it?

      It's a shame that you find it depressing or unhelpful when people disagree with your viewpoint.

      Are you on the DDRA committee?

      :)

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    2. Maybe you have just under estimated how strongly opposed many residents are to this new application. After all, it is going to have a massive impact on Dorridge and understandably not everyone is in favour. There does appear to be an absence of comments from councillors, Spelman, DDRA etc. Which I think is very unhelpful as some interesting questions have been asked. At least Lynda Hatcher had the good manners to state her case. If these people are not prepared to engage in forums then maybe this is an appropriate time for DDRA to organise a public meeting with Spelman, councillors, Sainsbury's etc present. If DDRA are to save face they had better do this quickly. Let the residents have a say in their future.

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    3. As someone who is opposed to it, I wish I shared your implication that others would attend a public meeting. Most seem to be sleepwalking into a darker future for themselves and their family without giving this much thought and even less effort.

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  47. Do you really think so? I only put one giving the names of the councillors! which means that 4 people are blogging at least 25 times. That can't be correct.

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  48. She has a point - Can't be bothered to do it but would be interesting to count up Matthew's contributions. Pretty obvious some individuals engaging with him are putting up multiple comments also.
    No problem with that but does not accurately reflect 'strength of feeling'
    Perhaps not 4 people on here - but no more than say 25!
    To above - you've now put on 2 - that's what happens with bloggs - they become addictive - won't be surprised if you put up another.

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  49. What does it matter how many people are involved as long as what is written is worth reading.I would have thought anything that stimulates discussion is worthwhile; far better than apathy. At the end of the day people will come to their own conclusions as to whether Sainsbury's is appropriate or not.

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  50. Well - a handful of people, by there over-participation, are drowning our sensible fact-based posts which are really the only ones worth reading.
    By the way I counted 17 Matthew contributions - fine but not really a range of views is it?!
    Anyway, this is my 4th contribution - and last. Happy spleen venting!

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    1. If you like sensible fact-based posts 13:51, how about this one: Sainsbury's want to make the development 16% bigger!

      What were they planning in the staff quarters? An Olympic-sized swimming pool?

      DDRA call this a "small increase in store floor area".

      Move along now, nothing to see here...

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    2. I reckon that there's about 4 antis in here, including Matthew - one of which only says 'so true' and makes no meaningful contribution. I bet the total number of people taking part in the conversation is probably less than 10.

      Anyway, me too. I'm off.

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  51. I reckon there are about 6.5 pro, 4.75 anti and that Matthew doens't live locally and that 34% of the posts are from Gough Bailey Wright, Sainsbury's PR agency and another 12% are from Waitrose and that Justin King himself is The Silhillian and secretly still lives in Dorridge and that means that we should just ignore the whole thing and let them build what they like.

    Time for my pills.




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  52. Since when was it compulsory to visit the Silhillian Blogspot let alone read it? Seems to me some people feel threatened.

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  53. What can you mean 17:21? Just an idiotic statement

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  54. I love the internet, all of these anonymous people (and matthew) having strange conversations. Where are the? are they at work, at home, on the train? It's almost like Eastenders...but on the blog (or bog) whatever takes your fancy.

    It would be far more fun if once a week we all get together in the village hall, mingle, have a cupper, maybe bring some cakes and biscuits, and have a proper debate.

    Who knows, we may get to know our fellow Silhillians.

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  55. I'd like to wager that within 18 months of Sainsburys opening:
    the card shop and off licence have closed,
    the butcher is on the brink,
    several or all of the independent units that form part of the store are still unlet
    the spinney opposite the doctors has been felled to provide dedicated parking for the surgery
    you can only use the store car park if you can prove you have made a purchase in the store
    the council has put long term parking restrictions on all the roads within 1/2 a mile of the centre
    does anyone else have anything further to add?

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    1. I have one small thought to add.....Sainbury may apply to absorb the "unused" new independent retail units into their store.

      What chance does any business ( other than a hairdressers or nail bars) have trying to operate next to Sainsbury.

      Just has they always intended re-configuring the layout of the main store to include the huge staff facility I believe the independent retail units have always been a ploy.

      Hard to trust them when they are such slippery little snakes!!!

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    2. I'm waiting for all of the road signs "Dorridge 1m", "Welcome to Dorridge" to be replaced with "Sainsbury's 1m", "Welcome to Sainsbury's".

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    3. "What chance does any business ( other than a hairdressers or nail bars) have trying to operate next to Sainsbury."
      ...about as much chance as they do currently judging by the state of the village!!

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  56. The dry cleaners,barbers and nail salon block is up for sale,so they can buy them too and knock down for more parking...

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  57. Yes, thank you DDRA and the Facebook gang for destroying our locality. Your stupidity goes even beyond that of the councillors and our MP.

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    1. Non taken!! Luddite!

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  58. 15.43; 15.53; 16.25 How right you all are. Sainsbury's non food items all in individual units, now there's a thought!
    I could be wrong but I have a feeling the spinney was gifted by a "late" resident of Avenue Road and I am sure his intention was that it be protected.
    Let's hope that the planning committee consider the quality of life for those living in Dorridge and especially those close to the development and decline this new application.

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  59. Sadly I don't think there's any chance of Planning declining this new application.

    But I do question the elusive TRICS data which denotes how many traffic movements and thus parking spaces are required. This is I believe based on retail floor space. presumably upping the floor space by 15% means a requirement for 15% more parking spaces and 15% more traffic. Dont suppose Planning will bother to take this into account when they wave through this amendment.

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    1. The TRICS data for the 2011 application is here:

      http://www.solihull.gov.uk/PlanAppDocs/2011/1107/1107_transport_assessment_appendix_F.pdf

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    2. Thanks for the link Silhillian.

      Afraid I can't make much sense of all those numbers but then perhaps Sainsbury are happy to confuse us.

      What occurs to me is that a Sainsbury petrol station will change the traffic flows. No doubt there will be special offers of xpence off per litre if you spend £y in store . When planning permission was granted the petrol forecourt was not owned by the supermarket.

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  60. i might be wrong but do dorridge people buy their clothes in sainsburys - i thought they only shopped at john lewis !!!

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    1. Most of my neighbours in Dorridge love to carry around branded shopping bags. I however love to carry cash in my wallet, thats why I shop at Aldi. I really dont see the point in paying more for a brand.

      I am a Director in the food industry, a lot (not all) of food comes out of the same factory, it is packaged differently and then sold at various prices depending on where it's going. But remember it came out of the same factory.

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  61. I am not a director in the food industry but I am, though I say so myself, a sensible kind of chap.

    I think building a supermarket in the centre of Dorridge makes no sense for either Sainsbury's or the local residents. It will not deliver the financial return Sainsbury's seek and will become something of a white elephant to them, and will be the source of many problems to the local community the likes of which you cannot yet imagine.

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  62. Lots of sense prevailing on here. A few points.

    1.
    If we want the council to reject the application, when the time comes, we must write to them to object. CC the councillors, CC DDRA.

    Otherwise they will all say "Well the groundswell of opinion was that the store must proceed at all costs - people complained it was like a warzone." No doubt Stainsbury's have already written to supporters and shareholders to encourage them to send letters in favour.

    2.
    The store patently isn't FOR Dorridge people. It's for anyone who might otherwise shop at the giant Tesco at the end of Gate Lane. It is designed to attract custom (and traffic) from Knowle, Bentley Heath, Monkspath, Lapworth, Lowsonford, Hockley Heath...


    3.
    What wouldn't they do in future? You can't trust Sainsbury's. There is nothing they wouldn't do in future. Double-storey carpark? 24-7 deliveries? Advertising hoardings on the site? Open a rival pharmacy? Stop you parking in their car park to visit the other shops. You cannot stand in the way of the Sainsbury's juggernaut.

    Now is the time to show Sainsbury's that we know that their "little internal rearrangement" is actually a massive "up yours" to local people.

    Matthew

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    1. On point 1, you are in danger of legitimising DDRA's voice.

      They have no mandate and do not represent Dorridge residents in any way, shape or form, except in their own egos.

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    2. the ego of the DDRA committee knows no bounds.....self opinionated fools every one.

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  63. Hi Matthew

    You are so right.

    I find it hard to believe just how gullible some people are. Don't they realise that the centre of the village "looks like a war zone" because Sainsbury want it to. They intend making us desperate for improvement and oblivious to the horror that awaits in the shape of an oversized development.

    Lambs to the slaughter!!!!

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  64. the thing is that when its built and it's near impossible to get near or park, the majority of people will just choose to go elsewhere but the people who live closest will have to live with it every day including sundays and bank holidays which are currently pleasantly quiet in dorridge.

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    1. Looking forward to Sainsburys11 May 2013 at 19:11

      Let's not forget that Sainsbury's may introduce a system whereby you can shop locally and they will drop your goods back to you at home, later in the day.

      If they introduce this system it will be great as people can walk to the shops. It will also be a godsend to elderly residents.

      In addition, I will be very happy if the other shops in Dorridge are nail bars', hair dressers' posh frocks etc. It means I can get everything I need in one place, and at walking distance.

      I also suspect that if it gets as busy as most people on this site fear (and I hope), then other shops will also come too, over time.

      You can't on the one had say that no-one will use it and on the other complain about what you think will happen to the traffic! Lets not forget that before Forest Court was on its knees it was impossible to park in Dorridge - not everyone's glasses are tinted rose.

      It's great that rail commuters will be able to pop in to get what they need, GP patients will have better facilitates, and we'll have a decent coffee shop.

      Finally lets not forget that more traffic, whist unpopular with car drivers, means slower traffic, which is also safer for pedestrians.

      I think Matthews', and most of the other comments on this site are about as far way from how most people feel as its possible to get. I am not a "lamb to the slaughter" but I AM desperate for improvement, as I was when that pitiful Spa and awful patisserie were in Forest Court.

      I welcome the development with open arms.

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    2. Then you are a fool.

      Come back on in two years and let us know what it's really like.

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    3. I am not a fool. I just have a different view. I would be delighted to 'come back' in 2 years. It may not be perfect but things will be a lot better than they are now, and have been for many years.

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    4. Further proof you are indeed a fool

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  65. 13.45 I think you are right . My main concern is that ill people will face the same parking problems when they want to visit the surgery.

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  66. If you visit the Sainsbury's Dorridge official site here , you'll see that they claim to have "24-hour security on site at Forest Court"

    Yesterday, I put this to the test. I phoned the numbers on one of the many on-site posters to ask to speak to someone on site.

    It took me ten minutes and two different people before they could even locate where Forest Court was. "You need to give us an exact address"/
    "Is it near Brierley Hill?"/"Who are we minding the site for" etc etc.. After that I was given a mobile number for "John" which didn't work. Good job I wasn't being mauled by dogs...

    The point isn't that the site is dangerous - it's surprisingly not.

    The point IS that this is yet another example of Sainsbury's telling blatant lies. Yet more HOGWASH from their PR agency Gough Bailey Wrong.

    I simply can't understand why anyone would trust - never mind encourage - such a duplicitous, deceitful business to become a member of our community.

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    1. 10:47 have you considered getting a life instead??!! lol

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  67. Justin King's Sunbed10 May 2013 at 11:07

    It just says 24-hour security 10:47, not 24 hours a day. Perhaps they meant 24 hours a year?

    :)

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  68. There are 3 'security' men there 24/7 but they mainly sit in the portacabin in the loading bay. They don't seem to speak any English, presume they are very cheap to employ!

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  69. Update on Sainsbury's

    Landscapers have been on site this week doing a general tidy up, strimming, cutting grass, putting down weed killer. They will be doing maintenance every two weeks

    Next week:
    Removing old signage from Forest Court
    Making steps safe
    Removing loose bricks around area
    Either painting out boards or covering, to try and improve the appearance (UNCONFIRMED reports that Sainsburys have sought input from local schools etc)
    Proper hoarding on entrance to service yard

    Lynda

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  70. Oh well done Lynda.

    And thanks also to those lovely people from Sainsbury's for making such improvements to our locality. They really are so kind and clearly have our best interests at heart.

    Perhaps they could go and improve other villages and towns with their generosity and philanthropy.

    When will everyone wake up and smell the coffee? This is now beyond laughable.

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    1. So true,maybe Lynda can cut the ribbons on opening day...

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    2. Lynda Hatcher, Peace & Quiet Snatcher

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  71. Only here could a simple update be used as an opportunity to be unpleasant ....shame on you.

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    1. People voluntarily rolling out the red carpet for a large, untrustworthy business that's using some pretty rotten tactics to splatter itself without restraint on a previously nice place to live is also pretty UNPLEASANT.









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  72. Perhaps when you place your grocery order for delivery later you can also put in your request for home visit from the doctor thus avoiding the need to park up at all!

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  73. The part of this that really worries me is the parking for the GPs and Dentist, both of which I go to in Dorridge, but live the other side of Knowle and I really worry that I will be able to park, I am in my 80s so can't now walk there as I used to enjoy doing. Are there going to be seperate spaces for the Dentist and GPs?

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    1. I would change doctors and dentists now - even if there are spaces you will get nowhere near them for the supermarket traffic and delivery vehicles.

      And remember, the doctors supported this from the start, for their own financial gain.

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  74. not yet, but you just watch them cut down the spinney to make dedicated doctors parking in the future - i'll put a fiver on it

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    1. Justin King's Sunbed14 May 2013 at 17:46

      @13.21 Who wants to join SODS: Save Our Dorridge Spinney? I bet we'd have more members than the DDRA committee that no one wants to join!

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    2. I think it would be better to make the car park (Chiltern?) behind the garage two-storey (and/or the station one), and have some of the closer parking reserved for GP patients.

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  75. It seems very easy for those without names or faces to spread opinions. Views that do not represent many Dorridge residents and a demonstration of their puerile and insular lives that have no understanding of what many of us want - because they cannot even be bothered to let themselves be known or seek our opinion. At least DDRA have names and are prepared to put effort into making things happen and have openly consulted - well done DDRA.

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  76. @Tony. (Thanks for giving your name.) It's a bit odd that you think that only the people who disagree with you are 'puerile' when the majority of comments here, pro or anti, are anonymous.

    I don't agree with you about DDRA. They haven't consulted Dorridge - not truly. They've asked around an AGM of the sort of people who go to AGMs and in doing so they've ignored 1000s of people who were publicly opposed to a big store.

    That's why DROVS had to form - to fill the 'consultation vacuum'. DROVS did consult with - and poll - the community. They published the names of 1200+ local people who were opposed to the store on their Wall of Support. Lynda Hatcher's online petition is similar, albeit on a smaller scale; again, people are putting their name to something.

    Yes DDRA have names, but what gives their dwindling committee licence to speak for all of us?

    A question for you - I'm not trying to be funny and am interested in your answer... When you say "no understanding of what many of us want" who's 'us'? How many of 'us' have you talked to - I bet it's not as many as DROVS or Lynda!






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  77. RIP Dorridge - those who supported this mad venture and who have contributed to the catastrophic destruction of a very very nice place to live should bow their heads in shame.

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    1. 22:11 Is it possible to "RIP" something that is already dead?

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  78. Those who are anti have only one option that is to go to the planning meeting and get one of you to speak about all your worries and see if you can get the new plans thrown out and the old ones reinstated re size and content of what the store can sell, that is the only way, in Knowle we managed to get rid of the skateboard park by doing this about 8 years ago, it does work if you really make your point and fill the hall (thats what we did) and they back down.
    Good luck

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    1. This is what happened at the final planning meeting when the 2nd plans were passed, but there were more "fors than againsts" (if you get my meaning). We keep hearing about how many people are against this development but there were always more people for it! (I do acknowledge that this was by no means a landslide majority, but certainly more for)

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    2. The thing is, the people who are against it understand what they're against but the people who are in favour of it have much less of a clue :)

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  79. There really is nothing wrong with having a new supermarket in Dorridge, it is the way forward.

    What is wrong is the way Sainsbury's has gone about the whole project. They are not stupid, they have architects, planners etc. They know exactly how to manipulate the system to get what they want... that's their job.

    My own oppinion is they should have been open and honest from the start then none of this Dorridge divide would be happening.

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    1. I agree with all of this 08.43 - yes even that there's nothing wrong with having a supermarket (just not a massive one).

      It's a total PR disaster. Or a triumph if you work for Gough Bailey Wrong

      I don't think they actually care though as long as they get what they want.

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  80. I can't see what all the fuss is about. Planning has already been approved. All this guff is about selling some non-food items. What exactly is there to object to?? If you didn't want Sainsburys, the damage is already done and you lost that debate months ago.

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  81. Bigger store, more people, more traffic and more delivery lorries = more chaos!

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  82. Does anyone remember Sainsburys saying that the size was all about the square meters of retail space - not the overall outside wall space - so that shoots your (12.31) arguement in the foot.
    more floor space means more goods means more deliveries, means more lorries means more customers, means more chaos. Even Sainsburys said that themselves!

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    1. Quite right Jane. Sainsbury's used that argument to get planning permission originally, but now it doesn't matter.

      It's not a problem though as I'm sure DDRA and the other pro-lobby will tell the council and Sainsbury's that based on a quick chat in the Post Office queue everyone in Dorridge wants a bigger store anway.

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  83. I agree with Jane.

    Sainsbury claimed that all retail developments used the size of the retail floor area when looking at the impact and car parking requirement. We were told that the storage areas , staff facility , checkout and foyer shouldn't we included when comparing the store size. You can't have it both ways Mr King.

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  84. All supermarkets try to sell as much off of whatever they can make available. Find me a supermarket that HASN'T rejigged things! Can't for the life of me see what all the fuss is about. It's a few irons and linen baskets and mobile phones. Big deal

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  85. I think that when all the building is over and the store is open, what everyone will be talking about, is not what it sells or how big it is, but that they can't park for GPs Dentist, Hairdressers and SHOPPING AT SAINSBURYS and anywhere else they want to go, this being the case none of the businesses will gain from Sainsburys as has been stated (even Sainsburys) they will all be losers and Dorridge will still not have a vibrant centre.
    I really hope I am wrong, but I really do fear it will be the case.
    Same could well be the case in Knowle with Waitrose.

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  86. I dont see what is wrong with a larger store?

    surely if Sainsburys build a small store now, then some 2 years/5 years down the road they will put planning permission in to extend.

    Just get it all out of the way now.

    Or, better still let Aldi build a store, it will be open in 6 weeks, we will all save money and pick up some seasonal bargains at the same time!

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  87. It seems some people have forgotten that Sainsbury's already have planning permission for the store with all the parking/traffic issues that may or may not arise.

    The ONLY show in town is the impact of the ADDITIONAL non food space. Like it or not the rest is history. I drove through Dorridge at 12.45 today and a massive Tesco lorry was delivering, and parked right in the centre at the turning with station approach. At least the Sainsbury's lorries will be coming overnight and delivering into a proper bay.

    I am more concerned that there are no dedicated GP patient spaces. I think it would be better to make the car park (Chiltern?) behind the garage two-storey (and/or the station one), and have some of the closer parking reserved for GP patients.

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  88. Sainsburys lorries are not limited to overnight you are misinformed and what will happen when 2 or 3 turn up and they can't all get in the loading bay. Where do you think they will go?

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  89. Whatever - this is the same regardless - PLANNING HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED!
    I can't understand why, for the life of me, this message is not landing.
    Are some people still in denial??

    The only issue is whether the planned internal space reconfiguration will make a material difference.
    Unfortunately clocks don't turn back - not even in Dorridge.

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  90. I agree you can't turn the clock back, but you can tweek it a bit! I think that the parking really needs to be looked into as it is a large practice and getting bigger, so there must be parking for the GPs and Dentists. I agree with the above two about the parking and think it should be really sorted out before it is too late. The rest is history, but we can do something about the parking still. Also sort out the station parking at the same time and also make sure that the parking around the area that we all use at the moment is not taken away from us because of deliveries.

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  91. You will all look back at this in 5 years time and wonder what all of the fuss was about, and how did you ever cope without a Sainsbury's store. Who cares about the lorries because we are so used to them now, and at least we know the shelves will be replenished with bread and milk.

    Woohoo

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  92. yey! I want to be the 200th comment

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