Wednesday, 7 August 2013

Sainsbury's "to open next year"

SAINSBURY’S today said it will aim to open a supermarket at Forest Court, Dorridge by the end of next year after winning permission for a bigger scheme.

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The firm made the pledge after councillors last night gave permission for a larger sales area than one approved in November 2011.

The firm won approval from Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council's planning commmittee for a 2,276sqm sales area development compared to 1,812sqm before by changing internal plans.

The overall building size will not change and the extra space is for non-food sales, to include a cafe. Car spaces will increase by five to 184.

The approved plan is 26 per cent larger than the one passed in 2011. A 2,462sqm plan was rejected in 2010

A statement said: “The supermarket retailer will aim to open the store by late 2014. The local community will be kept informed at every stage of the development.”

It previously said work could not start on the 1,812sqm scheme because of economic conditions but would begin within six months of the larger plan getting permission.

Regional development Manager Ben Littman said: “We’re delighted to have received approval for the amendments to the new store in Dorridge.

“We look forward to creating new jobs in the area and improving the local shopping offer.”

Some 31 people and a signature with more than 600 signatures opposed the plan to the council with concerns about traffic.

But 33 letters of support were made to the council and Dorridge & Hockley Heath councillor Ken Meeson said the “overwhelming” view of people who contacted him was of support.

41 comments:

  1. So Matthew and his bleating nimby's have done nothing but slow the development down. Well done to the councilors for approving this. At last, Dorridge can be rid of it's gloomy grey appearance. On another point, I can't believe how much better the new petrol station is. Very clean and you get nectar points. Things are looking up

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    1. How nice it is to see a gracious "winner". Mathew, in the fullness of time, may yet be proved right.

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  2. Don't hold your breath - they haven't started building it yet!

    Thanks to all the reasonable people I've 'spoken' to on here; it was fun debating this with you. I never knew there were so many people called Anon in Dorridge. To the less reasonable (like the apostrophe abuser that's 20:50 above) I hope I might be considered someone who had an opposing view rather than a "bleating nimby".

    I do hope there's no malice in future between friends and neighbours who took different sides - although, personally, I shall reserve a small grudge for certain councillors and the hapless DDRA committee.

    See you all at the cheese counter. I shall of course be walking to the store.

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    1. How nice to see a gracious loser!

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  3. Where's Linda gone? She's missing her moment of glory...

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  4. She's in Harbury - big party at Justin's place. Ian Spencer hired a minibus. Meeson will be doing My Way on the karaoke.

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  5. Even those who were objected to the development and swore blind they wouldn't use the store will all now be glad when it will be open so they can buy their bread and milk.

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    1. I objected to this inappropriate development and I object strongly to the way the whole planning process has been handled. I will not be shopping at Sainsbury. I will walk past Sainsbury's to convenience shop at little Tesco. If this is closed then I shall go without. My main shop will be elsewhere. This is not 'cutting my nose to spite my face' it is a matter of principle and I have many excellent alternatives close by. How other people choose to shop is a matter for their own conscience.

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    2. 14:00 - your choice obviously, but Tesco as hardly paragons of virtue! Got rid of the post office, promise to deliver in Dorridge using smaller lorries (and haven't), a Landbank compete with the Church.....

      I feel the development is a bit too large, but then I'd rather be able to get all I need close-by, so I guess I can't have it both ways! on balance, given no-one else wanted the site, its a good outcome.

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  6. Sad I will never be able to park for the Dentist and Doctor again!!

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  7. The car park on top of Sainsbury's will still be the village short stay car park and you will be able to stop there and pop across to Tesco's for your bread and milk!

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    1. Slap a parking ticket on all the Sainsbury's shoppers parked in the old square car park!!

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  8. ..... or make the Chiltern car parks 2 storey? Much needed anyway and surely Sainsbury's could be persuaded to make a contribution.

    Either way am looking forward to the Store.

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  9. "Will aim to open". Not even "IS aiming to open". Or simply "will open". Weasel words from their clever PR people.

    I will show my **** in Woolworth's window if this is open by late 2014.

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  10. For the record, many more people than 31 objected - it was 31 before we read the planner's report and we were cc'd in on 40-50 emails, some from more than one resident, who had written to the council to object.

    Purely academic now, of course, but worth noting Silhilian

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    1. I wish The Silhillian had spent more time "noting" the nasty comments made by you on his site. Pretty much single-handedly, you destroyed the credibility of the Silhillian as a useful community resource. Your spiteful comments tarred many objectors with the same brush. I didn't feel I could post my objections openly for fear of being thought of as one of those nutters from the Silhillian. The Silhillian is a good idea ruined by a few stupid people.

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    2. You can't have a civilised debate online can you? Not when it's so anonymous. That's why I added my name. I often wished I hadn't.

      What would have been useful would have been a public forum. DDRA or Sainsbury's could... should... have facilitated something.

      I know people with opposing views tried to post on the justinkinghome Facebook page - Facebook is good for this as you have to attach your name - but sadly their views were blocked and deleted.

      I have met some good people through this - on both sides. I would never bear a grudge against a friend or neighbour for disagreeing. I would never criticise someone for using the store; I will use the 1200 sqm of it that I thought were an acceptable size!

      I do think if you're elected like our councillors or you've got paid members (DDRA) then criticism and praise are fair enough.

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  12. I agree with 10:05. It is shame this blog has not been better monitored and individuals not taken greater personal responsibility for their postings. For these reasons stopped providing comment or input to this blog (other than this one, long ago.

    Matthew - just to be clear you/KingsizeStore are the ONLY person who have been blocked from the Facebook page, and this is because you spammed across it, in direct contravention of the purpose of the page itself. So you don't "know people" who have been blocked - you are it.

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    1. Please! I do not see how "The Silhillian" can monitor every comment made in a 24 hour period. There is no need for continued sniping. Sainsburys are going to build a large supermarket in Dorridge whether you are for it or against it. We all now will have to learn to live with it like it or not.

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    2. Lynda- you are wrong, Matthew's comments were not the only ones deleted from the FB site - so were mine!

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  13. The Dorridge and District Residents Association has put out this statement:

    http://www.dorridge.org.uk/2013/08/10/sainsburys-revisions-approved/

    "On Wednesday evening the Planning Committee approved the Sainsbury’s application. The plans submitted represent around a 15% increase in shop floor area, with a restriction on food sales area with Sainsbury’s wanting the option of expanding the sales area at some future date, hence the 26% total figure. The officers accepted the evidence that the increase in sales area would not create significant increases in parking or traffic, though we made representations querying this.

    The committee did not comment significantly on the plans themselves but mainly confined their comments to chastising Sainsbury’s for being so disruptive and demanding that they get on promptly with the build. The Sainsbury’s representative had assured the committee that the build would go ahead promptly and various details were changed in the consent to allow demolition work to commence before some of the minor details of the building such as material colours were agreed.

    Sainsbury’s have issued a statement here. They intend to open by late 2014, which we understand from other discussions means November at the latest due to the practicalities of opening a store over the peak period.

    To meet this timetable, site preparation work will need to start before Christmas 2013. You will see from various holes and marks on the road around the site that Sainsbury’s are already pressing ahead with investigation work, but it is likely to be a couple of months before serious work starts, and it is not clear how much work will be done during the three month period from grant of permission to being free from legal challenge.

    The development will be disruptive, with not only works on site, but alterations to the roads around the centre, including reworking the junction at Avenue Road and Station Approach and Station Road itself. Sainsbury’s tell us that they will have a dedicated team to ensure that the build goes ahead with minimum disruption and they will communicate the plans time progresses."

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  14. All good! Let's get on!

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  15. Cant wait for some of the anti Sainsbury crowd to adopt the shop and its café where they will hold court about their latest holiday or how well Ethan and Taylor are doing at school . Or perhaps some of them would be more comfortable back at Asda or Liddle .

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    1. Well, This is very snobbish isn't it?

      Like most people, I was always in favour of A supermarket here - a smaller one.

      It will be useful. I reserve the right to use the 1200 sqm I felt were appropriate, on foot. I will continue to do my bigger shop online, possibly at Asda or Liddle (sic) - is that the one run by Rod Liddle?

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  16. Is anyone aware of an "anti Sainsbury's crowd"? Certainly I have not heard of one, but I have heard of very many who are strongly anti a town size Sainsbury's. But it is all academic now, if only the DDRA had fulfilled its function and had held a residents survey, then there would have been no need for DROVS, no inane and childish comments on the Sillhillian, no silly pettiness, just a clear opinion of the residents.

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    1. The clear opinion(s) of the residents was never in doubt and I've never seen anything anywhere that tells me DDRA got that wrong - they always said that opinion was split and had a pretty good idea of what size store people did want - bigger than Tescos Knowle and smaller than what was on offer, that there wasn't enough parking to support the store and so on. Seems to me that they got it right - doesn't mean that they could do anything about it.

      No public meetings? You didn't go to the AGMs dominated by DROVS speaking against Sainsbury's, so you can't really say that they didn't have public meetings, and DROVS could have held their own meetings if this was the solution. They also were polite about DROVS in their publications, even though DROVS were pretty nasty to them. How many people left the DROVS committee because DROVS couldn't even work with each other?

      Seems to me that the complaint is that because DROVS couldn't stop Sainsbury's it must be the DDRA's fault. Perhaps it was neither. Me, I look at the Council bureaucrats who wanted even the first store, and Sainsbury's who also knew what the range of opinion in Dorridge was and ignored it. All the rest seems to be the personal vendetta of bitter and twisted Matthew.

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    2. Bitter and Twisted Matthew12 August 2013 at 17:26

      I don't mind a bit of a ding-dong but this sort of personal nastiness is a bit much, especially coming from you, Anonymous. I thought we were friends?

      1) I didn't make the anti DDRA comments above or below; saying that "all the rest" is down to me is pretty low.

      2) I'm not aware of people leaving DROVS through disharmony. It is very hard to persevere against a big store on a voluntary basis, especially for those approaching 80!

      2) Surely the complaint is that DDRA could have been a bit more even handed and possible organised a proper village poll instead of deciding amongst their (small) committee to support the development, however big it grew. In every poll - Sainsbury's, DROVS and the school governors' one - the most popular option was for something 1-2 times the size of Tesco Knowle. That we've ended up with something 4 times the size suggests that DDRA were either too welcoming of the development or just a bit incompetent.

      *ENDS*

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    3. I can not believe some of the comments being made about bitter and twisted Mathew. All he has done is try to express his opion without nastiness, and sometimes, with subtle humour.
      The vitriolic comments almost always have appeared to come from those in favour. What ever happened to free speach. Have come to being like the soviet block of the sixties where individual opinion no longer counts. Discuss yes! But please don't resort to stupid name calling and complaining because some one has posted a comment you don't like. At least Mathew, unlike me and most others, had the courage to publish under his own name.

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    4. 21:11 you presumably haven't been on the receiving end of some of these comments....

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  17. DDRA have fails us.

    I for one will not renew my membership.

    As Messrs Spencer and Co have no regards for the opinion of Dorridge Residents (for or against) I guess they won't be the slightest bit concern not to receive my £1.

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  18. 20:45 - I have joined DDRA today and paid my £1. Consider yourself cancelled out. :-)

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  19. My wife and I have both left 17:32, so the deficit is restored. Oh STOP PRESS... the dog says he is remaining a member.

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  20. Seems like a couple of things happened here:

    1) Sainsbury got what they wanted

    2) The people of Dorridge lost: not because a store will be built, but because some people lost their heads, sense of community and good relationships and posted comments they wouldn't / shouldn't dare say to the face of their intended recipient under an 'anonymous' name. Shameful. Come on everyone, get a grip and don't let a decision that is made and cannot be changed ruin the good relationships we should have.

    Whatever your view, the store is coming, lets get on with whatever we will do and stop bickering worse than children.

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  21. fantastic - someone has decided to post a snide "Sainsburys" comment under the blog article about the NURSERY instead!
    Where is the sense (and the moderator)? Come on Oliver....hit Delete and clean up your blog.

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    1. It bothers you when comments are in the "wrong" place but a town-centre-sized store in a village is fine. The irony!

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  22. Oliver runs tis site, part time, on his own. How can he monitor every comment made immidiately. The people that should clean up their act are those that make comments that they think funny but some others do not. How on earth is Oliver going to decide what is appropriate? An inappropriate comment to some might bevery appropriate to some one else. You expect far too much 20.29. Perhaps you would like to try running the site 24 hours a day!

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    http://thesilhillian.blogspot.co.uk/p/terms-and-conditions.html

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  24. Matthew, I notice that you picked someone up about their spelling of Lidl. A bit petty considering that quite a few other posts have wrong/lazy spelling. Just one thought, how will you decide which part of the store is the original 1200 sqm? That would be interesting to watch. One point, several times when posting I have tried to put in my name but, because I found it difficult, we are not all computer literate, I just gave up and, like most others, just put anonymous. Perhaps that is why most of the posts are also anonymous.

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  25. Hi Maggie. Simple, I shall use the 1200 sqm that contains the products I wish to buy. Gita's Lime & Chilli pickle, for example.

    I shall also visit the new surgery in dark glasses so as not to experience too many of the improvements.

    :)

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