Sunday, 10 August 2014

Parking restrictions announced for Dorridge

A RAFT of traffic restrictions, speed limit changes and road humps around Dorridge have been announced as part of plans to tackle commuter parking.

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Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council said the proposals – out to consultation – are partly in response to a Sainsbury’s plan for Forest Court, to open by Christmas.

It said: “Concerns have been raised from local residents and ward councillors about inappropriate all day  parking associated with Dorridge Railway Station restricting access to properties in the area of Dorridge village centre and surrounding roads.

“In addition, development works have been undertaken on the village centre and a holistic parking review  has been undertaken with the aim of adapting parking provision to reflect the changes.”

The plans include a 20mph speed limit proposal for Avenue Road, Dorridge Road, Grange Road, Forest  Road, Poplar Road, Station Approach and Station Road.

See maps of the proposals here.

Send views by September Mr L Stevenson, Governance Directorate, Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council, Manor Square, Solihull, B91 3QB.

The proposals are:

Total Prohibition of Waiting along lengths of Beckford Croft, Beconsfield Close, Bretby Close, Cawdon Grove, Copstone Drive, Edstone Close, Ernsford Close, Fennis Close, Grange Road, Grove Road, Hanbury Road, Hansell Drive, Hartington Close, Hartlebury Close, Kingscote Road, Manor Road, Mill Lane, Milton Road, Oakhall Drive, Poplar Road, Rodborough Road, Slater Road, Spring Coppice Drive, Warren Drive, Widney Road, Woodchester Road, Woodstock Crescent, Access road to Car Park rear of St Philip’s Church, Service Road Widney Road, Access Road off Widney Road (leading to numbers 84, 84a and 86, 86a and 86b) and the New Development off Manor Road.

Prohibition of Waiting, Monday to Friday, 9-11am and 2-3pm along lengths of Brooksby Grove, Clyde Road, Dorridge Road, Hanbury Road, Kingscote Road, Manor Road, Poplar Road and Rodborough Road.

Restricted Parking Zone, Monday to Friday, 9-11am and 2-3pm along lengths of Beckford Croft, Beconsfield Close, Cawdon Grove, Copstone Drive, Edstone Close, Ernsford Close, Fennis Close, Gladstone Road, Granville Road, Hartlebury Close, Hinchwick Court, Paddock Drive, Spring Coppice Drive, Walcot Green, Warren Drive, Westfield Close and the New Development off Manor Road.

Prohibition of Waiting Monday to Friday, 8.30-9.30am and 3-4pm along lengths of Hanbury Road and Station Road.

Existing Prohibition of Waiting, Monday to Saturday 9am-11am and 2-3pm to be removed along lengths of Granville Road and Paddock Drive.

Existing Prohibition of Waiting Mon-Fri 8.30-9.30am and 3-4pm to become No Waiting At Any Time along lengths of Mill Lane.

Existing Limited Waiting 1 Hour No Return 1 Hour Mon-Sat 8am-6pm to become No Waiting At Any Time along lengths of Poplar Road.

Existing No Waiting Mon – Sat 8am-6pm to become No Waiting At Any Time along lengths of Fennis Close, Poplar Road, Slater Road, Widney Road, Widney Road Service Road (fronting Nos. 100C and 102) and Service Road to the side of No’s 8-12 Arden Buildings.

Existing Limited Waiting 1 Hour No Return 1 Hour Mon-Sat 8am-6pm to become Limited Waiting 2 Hours No Return 1 Hour Mon-Sat 8am-6pm along lengths of the Arden Buildings Service Road.

20mph Maximum Speed Limit along lengths of Avenue Road, Dorridge Road, Grange Road, Forest  Road, Poplar Road, Station Approach and Station Road.

Loading Bay – Waiting limited to 20 minutes along lengths of Station Road and Station Approach.

Disabled Parking Bays along lengths of Avenue Road and Station Approach.Dorridge Various August 2014 Prop Notice.doc

Limited Waiting – 1 hour limit, no return within 1 hour, Mon-Sat, 8am-6pm along lengths of Avenue Road and Station Approach.

Limited Waiting – 2 hour limit, no return within 2 hours, Mon-Sat, 8am-6pm along lengths of Forest Road.

Road Hump Grange Road – approx’ 50m north east of Arden Road.

Speed Table Junctions - Junction of Station Approach, Dorridge Road and Avenue Road, Junction of Avenue Road and Forest Road., Junction of Forest Road and Station Road., Junction of Poplar Road and Station Road.


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148 comments:

  1. About time - and good to see a comprehensive approach.

    However the problem stems from a lack of (affordable) parking at the station and I see no plan to address this. Could the car park behind the petrol station be made 2 or 3 storeys?

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    1. As long as it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Since they (Chiltern) made the Solihull station car park 2 storey and charge 4.50 a day before 9.15, no-one parks there any more. I have never really seen it more than 1/2 full. Ex Solihull station parkers now just go to Widney Manor where its still free but now little chance of parking after 8am - hence more pressure on Dorridge

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  2. Hopefully Chiltern are mindful of this. Ken Meeson said at DDRA AGM he would have no objection to a multi-storey behind Sainsburys petrol station

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    1. Let's hope so. I can't see how adding more parking capacity behind the petrol station (maybe also make is Sainsburys overflow?) will do anything other than ease the problem

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  3. This will kill Dorridge, as there are many of us not commuters etc. who go to hairdressers, beauty parlours and dentists, who are not within walking of Dorridge and I am sure if Sainsburys is advertising for 200 jobs the car park will be full with workers, shops and if we are lucky people trying to park for the doctors. So if there is no way we can park, we will go away and the other businesses in Dorridge will fail

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  4. I think that there should be a long term solution before implementing these restrictions. The Chiltern car park discussion was shelved awaiting review of the impact of Sainsbury's. We can live with the parking issues for a few more months to get things right rather than rushing a decision.

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    1. Hear Hear! All a bit premature whilst Sainsburys are still active with Construction workers. Why did they not implement these things AFTER things had settled down!? Chiltern also need to tidy up the Bridge with a spot of paint which is also an eyesore! Are there plans to do so FoDS?

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  5. I understand, after speaking to the council today, that the aim of the scheme is to reduce commuter parking on residential roads or important through routes. (Why do they assume anyone can work that out from the details they spent money sending to everyone!)

    This is laudable but for many residential roads currently unaffected by commuter parking, it could be seen as a nice little earner for SMBC. There's no provision to distringuish between commuters and visitors, carers, healthcare professionals, tradesmen... Under these proposals, they'd all be getting £25 parking tickets left, right and centre.

    Someone needs to make sure that this is as joined-up as possible - that means drawing in interested parties like Chiltern, Sainsbury's, The GPs and the school and talking about residents' parking schemes (the current one is prohibitively expensive), drive sharing, opening up under-used car parks (e.g the two churches - for school drop-offs) shuttle buses, walking buses.... you name it.

    Step forward DDRA - are you ready to win back a bit of respect from the community by doing something useful?

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    1. Now that a plan has been suggested for Dorridge could the council please turn its attention to Knowle especially as work is starting on Waitrose. There should be no all day parking in the roads directly round the car parks. The slip road alongside the Warwick Road down from Lodge Road to Blackdown Road is full of all day parkers by 9.00 when the doctors and chiropodists surgeries open and elderly patients and mothers with young children have to walk a long way to the surgeries. Can we please have restricted hours parking on our estate and the same consideration that has been given to Dorridge.

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  6. DDRA win back some respect?????

    Never.

    It's a shame we don't still have stocks in the village centre.

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    1. I notice their latest newsletter doesn't mention Sainsburys at all....

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    2. DDRA are Sainsbury's Deniers

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    3. The Sainsbury's debacle has shown DDRA to be what they are - ill informed misjudging do gooders, operating way out of their depth

      They played with the big boys of the corporate world and were sucked in. Naive doesn't even come close.

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    4. the posts of 11/8 and 12/8 2216.1359 and 0002 should be removed.
      they are just unpleasant.

      disgraceful

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  7. Space on your drive? Live in Dorridge?12 August 2014 at 00:39

    Make a few easy quid by advertising your space on one the many website (park on my drive/park on my street to name a couple). This will create much needed parking, make a few people some money, as well as improve home security. You can choose when to make your space available to others.

    I use these sites a lot when I commute to other towns.

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  8. Joined up thinking? Too late. There is no integrated transport strategy for Dorridge or Knowle. Permitting a major commercial development in Dorridge - a traffic magnet, and then hoping to sort out the problems with yellow paint and a multi-storey car park is not strategic nor is it sustainable planning. We do all hope (along with our councillors, strategists and planners) that the promised vibrant Dorridge will be a more pleasant place to live in as a result of all these developments. Too late and too expensive to design out the traffic problems now, if they've got it wrong.

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    1. Do we really want a "vibrant Dorridge"? Doesn't that equate to a busier place, with implicitly more traffic, people from outside of the village using the facilities, commuters parking and using the rail services etc.?

      Is vibrancy really the dream of the residents? I'm not so sure.

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  9. On the letter it states the restrictions are Mon-Fri and on the map Mon-Sat. Having the restrictions on a Saturday, Sunday or Bank Holidays makes no sense

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  10. That these sweeping proposals are necessary at all underlines that there is a fundamental problem in Dorridge. Why spend money, our hard earned rate payments, on gallons of yellow paint and a forest of yellow signs when it could be contributed instead to fixing the root issue, which the Council is trying to avoid?

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  11. I'm not sure what the root issue is. Parking has become a problem over time as the area has developed; more people live here and have cars.Commuter parking for the train is a problem - but we want people to use the rail network. Many people are dropped off and picked up from the train but this is not possible for everyone who needs to use it. Improved parking at the station itself - couldn't that be 2 storey - might help but I suppose the problem is that Chiltern would have to pay developing it. I'm glad the whole issue is being looked at.

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  12. Isn't this the problem - the 'whole' issue isn't being looked at by the council. Their proposal is for parking restrictions only. Rail use has gone up which is in line with government policy, but there isn't enough parking for rail users.
    Implementing these restrictions will help some residents but doesn't resolve the problem.

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  13. So should we be lobbying Chiltern?

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    1. Definitely - Chiltern are only interested in their London bound travellers and completely ignore the fact that there are many local commuters who need to be able to park - without spending £3.50 every day which adds up, There should be sufficient affordable parking somewhere close to the station before the roadside restrictions come in and the Chiltern car park would be perfect if they make it bigger and cheaper.

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  14. If there was a reliable bus service between Knowle and Dorridge station at more regular intervals there would be no need to use the car but it is a worry that if you decide on the day to go into Birmingham or even Stratford or Warwick or Leamington after the rush hour when the commuters have taken all the spaces in the car park what do you do if you cannot park anywhere near the station? We have had instances of family members booked on a particular train rushing back to our house in Knowle for a lift up to the station with children and luggage. It only needs one bus not to turn up and there is almost an hour's wait for another.

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  15. I agree - a shuttle bus around the local area to the station would be great.

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  16. Dorridge is on a good line with a regular train service. People come from many local destinations, to have a regular bus service from each of these is probably not going to happen. The crux of the issue is there is not sufficient parking around the station. This could be and needs to be resolved, once that's in place if people don't use that's the time to look at parking restrictions.

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  17. Oh god a shuttle bus! No thanks ....

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  18. Is the plan to get commuters to use the 2 existing car parks - from what has been said these are full to capacity and hence the problem, or to encourage commuters to use different railway stations - it would appear the nearby stations also have parking issues? All parties are keen to encourage use of public transport but it would appear that the proposal will prevent commuters from parking and so stop them using public transport. It looks like increased parking is the solution. Earlier in the thread someone said "The Chiltern car park discussion was shelved awaiting review of the impact of Sainsbury's". Does anyone know who would pay for the car park development or would it be joint funded?

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  19. Does no one on her care that all the businesses will go bust. Dentists, hairdresser, opticians and beauty salons to name a few, you might not want Dorridge to be vibrant, but it will be dead in about a year and then all the people in Dorridge will be moaning that they have to drive to Solihull to have all the above done.

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    1. Have you got legs?

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    2. Sainsbury's : 183 parking spaces? Must be enough for everyone according to Solihull Planning Department.

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  20. Perhaps if there is land near Lapworth Station that could be made into a car park then more of the London trains could stop there so relieving some of the pressure from Dorridge. This of course would herald further development of Lapworth which I know would not be popular, However, for many Dorridge residents this current development and all its associated problems and the constant stream of people parking outside their homes isn't popular either.



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  21. As a Station Road resident, I've always felt that a few cars parked on the road at least slowed down some of the traffic who just ignore 30 mph. It annoys me that Solihull Council didn't point out before Sainsburys that all these restrictions would come as part of the package. Not that objecting will make any difference. They supposedly listen, then just do what they want.

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  22. "Not that objecting will make any difference" - surely if you disagree you should object. If the council aren't aware of the issues they won't listen.

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  23. The parking for the station is not a Sainsbury's issue. Parking was always restricted in the Forest Court car park so could not be used by commuters. We need additional station parking because the number of commuters has increased. It's easy to just moan about the council - if it was easy to address the local parking issues and it didn't cost much money it would have happened. I'm glad it's being looked into and any reasonable ideas surely are welcome. Bit odd to say 'oh, God - a shuttle bus - no thanks' If it helped it would be great. The idea that the council just 'does what it wants' as though there is some benefit to it by deliberately ignoring local people is just a foolish and unhelpful interpretation of the situation.

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    1. I agree just having a go at the council doesn't help.

      But this is an important issue, that to date doesn't seem to being addressed at all fully by the council. By proposing parking regulations it will help residents effected by the 'inappropriate' parking, but nothing to resolve the underlying issue.

      Everyone seems to agree that there is inadequate parking at the station for commuters, but we don't know how much it would cost, who would pay for it, whether it would be self funding etc.

      So suggestions are made like a shuttle bus between Knowle and Dorridge, but to make an informed prediction as to how much it would help requires stats such as the number of Knowle residents using the Dorridge station.

      I would have thought this is the sort of investigation that council need to be doing.

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  24. Well with the budget cuts sadly it is unlikely that this will happen. They have to make savings year on year. All very difficult. It means there isn't the money for even essential services all of which doesn't really bode well for the future.

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  25. To the rude reply to my remark about Dentists and Hairdressers going bust, telling me and others to walk, many of us do not live in Dorridge, not everyone does that goes to the Dentist etc. we come to Dorridge and I expect Sainsburys is hoping we will continue to do so. So don't really want a 9 mile walk everytime I go to the Dentist and Hairdressers!!!! Would you?

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  26. We need parking restrictions but we need more parking at Dorridge station for sure.
    2-3 storeys behind the petrol station.
    Seems Chiltern are side-stepping this issue and sitting on their arses.

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  27. As a matter of interest, has anyone done a count of how many people are street parking for the station, and if so, where are they going to park if the station carparks are full and they can't get into work? surely an alternative car park has got to be in place before we cover Dorridge in signs and yellow lines. It is going to look like every other city suburb, no longer a villiage. And those with lines outside their houses will not like it when they friends can't park when they have a get together or a charity meeting etc. Still it seems to be what Dorridge residents want.

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    1. No,resident parking is what I want!

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    2. Maybe Dorridge residents should live and let live - is commuter parking on Poplar Road really such a problem? Its more of a problem for those who can't get to work on time because there's nowhere to park.

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    3. I think you will find that parking restrictions are not what the residents want but they should have been more careful what they wished for! This whole issue has arisen because Centro allowed Chiltern to hijack the car park at Solihull which is now half full. This has meant the Widney Manor car park fills up earlier and hence people park near Dorridge. So before we build a muti-storey eyesore in Dorridge, perhaps this could be adressed properly first!

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  28. What is really going to effect Dorridge is the fact that they will not get as much money for their houses when they want to sell, they may even have trouble selling as many, many people will not buy houses with parking restrictions on their road, any estate agent will tell you that. So you may not have a rogue car parked outside you house, but you will have devalued it by having the no parking

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  29. Will there be any parking for a couple of hours, if you're not visiting Sainsburys, does anyone know?

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    1. Anyone will be able to park there for two hours.

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  30. Interesting about parking restrictions being bad for house prices. My friend used to park on a side road in Dorridge when he had to catch the train to London. He had notes stuck to his windscreen saying the police had been informed that he parked there (perfectly legally ) and that he better watch out as he was parking 'badly' the car might get damaged. He informed the police and showed them the notes when he had one of his tyres slashed! Residents do not own the road outside their homes.and although I have sympathy with people who have people parking on their street we don need people to be able to get to work.

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  31. I wouldn't dream of complaining about somebody parking outside my house (so long as they are not parked across the drive) I know people who do though!

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  32. I find the goings on in, and around Dorridge very peculiar. Dorridge and Knowle years ago used to be quiet pleasant areas, where people were down to earth and friendly, I find the area these days to be damb right snobby, with people worried in case their car isn't quite as good as their neighbours. Who cares? and does it really matter if there is a car parked on the road - No! It is a public road. To be honest, a car parked outside your house might look like you have visitors, which will deter burglars.

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  33. Don't blame all residents, and most of us are down to earth and friendly, around Knowle we don't complain about the parking, there are always cars parked outside my house with people going to the park, I don't mind, neither do my neighbours. Also my friend lives in Dorridge and her road is going to have no parking, she and all her neighbours have been told, not asked and they live off Grange Road about half a mile from the Station, so just don't understand why they are getting parking restrictions, most of the Dorridge resident knew nothing about it, until it it the papers. So they are still wondering who decided which roads were to be targeted, does anyone know who decided??


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  34. The "council officers" have decided which roads will be affected in much the same way as they have allowed the totally inappropriate development that is now happening . The laws of unforeseen consequences. No doubt there will be more to come.

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    1. Has DDRA thrown its full support to these changes, on all our behalf of course, just like they did for Sainsbury's?

      If so was it after another extensive survey of the residents, or by asking around the bar at The Railway on a Monday night like last time?

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    2. Haha! So true!

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  35. I do think residents do need to know who has potently devalued their houses, that is a very big decision to make that effects a large number of Dorridge residents, who should have all been consulted

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  36. Looking at previous posts there is a real danger that this will turn into a residents v commuters argument. Everyone seems to agree the problem is there is a lack of parking for commuters. This is a good forum to air our views but at the end of the day, If you disagree with the proposals object to the council by writing or emailing tro@solihull.gov.uk. We've got just over a week to do it.

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  37. Please do as the above has suggested. The plans have been given little publicity, apart from a few notices on lamp posts. If it were not for the media, the majority would have been unaware of the situation. I am dismayed that ward councillors have apparently given it their full support. Never mind DDRA, these people have been elected to "represent"us, but I have as yet had no response from councillors, despite emailing them.. The one automated response told me "Hello I am awaynon holiday will return for the 31st. If their is a local matter please contact ..." and then names the other ward councillors The council seems to have chosen to announce their plans at a time when many are on holiday, with only a 3 week approx. window to respond, ending just as people are back from holiday and are returning to work.

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  38. It is not my problem as I don't live in Dorridge, but I do feel sorry that this have been residents who did not get consulted and may well lose out on their property and also might find their friends can't park. My suggestion is to get the local papers on board, so that everyone knows and make your councillors do some work. I don't think that anyone has looked at the bigger picture, just how to stop all those poor people who are just trying to get to work to keep their families, and have no parking provided for them, the whole thing is a disgrace

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  39. I know this might be just a silly thought, but what if on all the roads they have planned to cover with yellow lines, they just had restricted parking from 9am to 10am leaving the rest of the day for locals to park etc. At the same time enlarging the station car park for commuters. Just one of those silly thoughts that just might work.

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  40. How about those that live in Bentley Heath, Dorridge and Knowle walk or cycle to the station and leave the station parking for the disabled and elderly. Better for their health and fitness and that of the environment.

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  41. ..............for the disabled, elderly and out of towners!

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  42. It is all very well in good weather, but arriving at work like a drowned rat, is not always the best start to the day. Also if dressed up going into Birmingham, still not a good idea. Also with busy lives we try to fit in too many things, so need to take car

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  43. I support the comment for the any parking restrictions to only be in place Monday to Friday. At weekends it is a pleasure to be able to know that you can catch any train and be able to park near to the station. A lot of sporting events take place on a Saturday and the train is excellent for London, Birmingham and West Bromwich etc. Chiltern obviously acknowledge the fact by making the car park free at weekends, the doctors surgery is closed and there will be 2 hour parking for shoppers etc at Sainsburys. If the arrangements are to deter commuters please do not make things more difficult for the elderly and families to enjoy the weekends without the added hassle of worrying about parking.

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    1. Totally agree. The Chiltern car park is fairly empty on a Saturday and there is no parking attendant.

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  44. These restrictions are much more to do with Sainsburys than commuter parking. The council and Sainsburys have suddenly woken up to the fact that up to 200 workers (I debate this number, it's more likely to be around 100) could be needing parking spaces Monday to Saturday 8 to 10pm and Sunday 10 to 4pm (ish).

    Although Sainsburys have spouted nonsense that a) its workers will be local and b) anyone travelling will come by bike/train/bus, this is likely to be utter rubbish. If the store is successful (this less assured now that people are more and more using on-line and making more visits to much smaller stores) the car park is unlikely to be big enough to service the store, a larger surgery, hairdressers, nail bars and the odd shop which may survive (off licence, butcher, card shop) once the superstore opens.

    I believe the agreement was that if Sainsburys shoppers needed more parking beyond their own car park, they would part fund (with Chiltern) a 2nd, 3rd, 4th storey on the overflow car park. However if Sainsburys stops non-shoppers from parking in their car park and keeps the spaces for themselves, I can't see them funding increased parking in the Chiltern car park (where presumably charges go to Chiltern).

    In my view the Council should not be even considering making these restrictions until they have put a solution in place. How they can put restrictions in place whilst a major problem has not been sorted out stinks. But then they didn't give any consideration to the fallout from having a major superstore in the middle of a very restricted village centre and look what has emerged.

    A complete mess - AGAIN!

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  45. ORANGES AND LEMONS

    Sainsbury and Parking Restrictions go together like a horse and carriage......

    It seems obvious to me that the size of the store is the core problem to so much of this issue.

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    1. 19:55 boring boring boring.

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  46. It would appear that Dorridge will change from being a nice villiage to live in, into a lot of streets with no parking and a station and large supermarket, and due to the no parking no local shops. Gosh Solihull Council you really have done it this time

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    1. It's not rocket science is it. I wonder if those that fought so strongly to have the supermarket are now complaining about lack of parking.
      The lower end of Avenue Road is already very difficult to navigate with cars parking on what is a fairly narrow road.and cars half parking on the pavement doesn't help either making it difficult for the many elderly residents and those with young children.
      I still cannot believe that Solihull Council considered this an acceptable development. The construction team have been impressive but I find the new build to be completely overpowering and ugly.

      PS please do not sanitise our lovely spinney. It's great just how it is.

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  47. I am not anti supermarket.
    I am not anti Sainsbury
    I am not anti redevelopment of the Old Forest Court.

    I am anti the huge ugly concrete and steel horror that has been plonked in the centre of our community.

    Yes I will use it........but I will never again vote in any local election. Democracy ? What democracy he with the fattest wallet called the shots. Our councillors have foisted a commercial monster on us with no consideration for quality of life. And as for the idiots at the DDRA just don't get me started.

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    1. Idiots? You flatter them. And what about all the other Pro Sainsbury's lot. All a bit quiet aren't they?

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  48. I agree Forest court needed to be redeveloped but the current construction is hideous and completely out of character and in my opinion has ruined any chance of Dorridge having a thriving village centre.
    This development has completely taken over our village, it is an eyesore which dominates the centre whichever way you look and if the predicted traffic and parking chaos eventuates it will make residents and commuters lives a misery.

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  49. I think it looks quite good so far. The wood and grey and the glass, much better than say the 'Eveson's' mock Tudor look for instance. Of course at the moment with construction workers having to park locally and the car park out of commission there are issues with parking. A lot of these will go away when the store is complete. Commuter parking needs to be looked at. I live on a road where commuters park, would rather they didn't but appreciate people have to get to work. Would be good to have more commuter parking at the station though. I think the chances of Dorridge having a thriving centre in this day always very small. The precinct was too big and the number of retail units needed anywhere is much less these days. Still, this has all been said 100 times before during the Sainsbury's debate. This thread should be about parking and constructive. To above - bit fed up with the hyperbole - 'predicted traffic and parking chaos' 'will make residents and commuters lives a misery' - This is your prediction - not actually a fact.

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    1. cars parked in our drive because they can't find parks elsewhere, cars parked on the pavement to try and smooth the traffic flow on a road that becomes one lane when someone parks, cars parked partially across drive way and a drive that would be impossible to reverse out of should both sides of the road be occupied which they are currently able to do let alone the fact that the road would be impassable if people were to park on both sides.
      Which part of misery do you not understand ..................... Sainsbury's isn't finished yet!

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  50. I agree with 22nd August 11:03 why can't some imagination be brought into this debate, first more parking found before road restrictions, then perhaps just no parking for one hour in morning as stated, that would stop commuter parking and then everyone could carry on as usual. Stopping all day parking on all the roads stated is just over the top, and will be much more of an inconvenience to the householders that a few cars parking

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  51. Sainsbury isn't even open yet but we traffic and parking chaos.

    Just how does narrowing the carriageway on Station Road and making all the junctions narrower and more difficult to negotiate help the traffic flow? OK it slows the speed merchants down ( albeit they should be tackled if breaking the law) but it just causes problems for all the rest of us law abiding motorists.

    On the same tack why remove the roundabout in front of the station. You need to take your life into your hands when turning right out of Avenue Road. Visibility past The Forest down Station Approach is hopeless and cars coming up the hill have no need to slow down as previously. Just what training have these folk had in accident prevention?

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  52. Bring elf 'n' safety back.

    I agree the changes to the road layout are unbelievable.

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  53. I am all for the new Sainsburys, but like others I cannot see the logic of the road changes and proposed parking restrictions. The whole thing is a mess. Have a go at local councillors. ( will it make any differences?)

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  54. The roundabout has been removed because there is to be a new canopy for the station and so the pavement is being extended outwards to accommodate it. I agree that at present it's not good without the island. The roadworks being carried out as they change the road in front of the store are temporary and really what you'd expect as they build something new so not really worth moaning about.

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    1. The 'new' canopy is to make the station look old again as part of the Station Approach Conservation Area. DDRA and FODS have been campaigning for it for some time.

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    2. So, we finish up with an unsafe road junction because some people want the station to look old. That's progress!

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    3. So we remove the mature trees on Station Road, fell the silver birches along Forest Road that would have screened the new development, build an overbearing new supermarket narrow the roads, remove a vital roundabout BUT don't worry you are getting a new canopy for the station. Hey Ho

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    4. Did Dorridge station ever have a large canopy fronting Station Approach? If not what is the point of the current changes?

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    5. Apparently it did back in the good old days. Ask DDRA and FODS, it's their idea apparently. They want the village to look new and shiny (so supported Sainsbury's) but want the railway station and associated area to look old.

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  55. The removal of the roundabout is just plain stupid.

    The canopy could have been designed to fit the available space.

    The new configuration at the junction of Dorridge Road, Avenue Road, Station Approach and the Station Car Park is such a poor design....I hope there are no accidents.

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  56. The removal of the little traffic island outside the station is totally and absolutely stupid, whose idea was it? There is so much money being wasted on road and pavement changes around Dorridge and with no apparent improvement, is this Sainsbury’s fault or the Council?

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  57. If the stated aim is to tackle commuter parking I cant understand why you would need a blanket approach, it does not help residents and families and visitors, it does not help local small retailers and it does nothing for the aesthetics or character of the area. If local businesses, small retailers, and the amenity of local life is reduced then the community suffers. Do we want a sterile, mono-culture ?

    So I ask, why impose this ? Can anyone tell me who is ultimately behind this idea ? Has anyone ever seen any official survey results that support the need for this ? Local residents demand a referendum! :-) and write to tro@solihull.gov.uk now, before its too late and say "NO".Enough is enough!

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  58. An excellent idea, are there any whistle blowers working at SMBC who want to shed some further light on this ?

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  59. The removal of the roundabout is ridiculous.

    Just wait until the store is open, all the traffic will use Avenue Road to escape the from the Orange Monster as any other route will involve blind turns , narrow junctions and traffic chaos.

    Well done DDRA you have succeeded in ruining a pleasant village ( or suburb if you insist).

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  60. Of course all this yellow paint has nothing to do with a large supermarket getting planning permission on an unsuitable site with totally inadequate parking facilities.

    Heaven help the sick wanting to visit the doctors surgery. It might be a sparkling edifice created as a bribe to public opinion but what use if the elderly and infirmed can't park within half a mile.

    Congratulations Mr Spencer and DDRA another own goal. Please stick to flower beds in future.

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    1. The ignorance, bile and invective shown on this blog make me glad not live in Dorridge as it seems this poster is typical of the people who live there.

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    2. The majority of the posts are objective, reasoned and made out of genuine concern. I fail to see the relevance of your post to the actual debate in question.

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    3. Yes I concur anonymous 15.28 you are off on your own tangent. Stick with the subject in question.

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    4. yes I also agree with 15:28 and I DO live in the centre of Dorridge. I can assure you people who live here find the sort of comments in 12:17 sad and embarrassing in equal measure.

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  61. Dear 15.28
    I do live in Dorridge and care a great deal about the pleasant environment I am lucky enough to enjoy together with my neighbours. We have had an over large supermarket foisted upon us by a company only interested in profit and my a council that has fail to defend the needs of other village users.
    You don't live here and quite frankly your view about the tone of the posts on this blog is not relevant.
    Those of us that do live in or use the facilities of Dorridge are doing our best to mitigate the worst aspects of the current parking proposals.

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  62. I don't live in Dorridge, that is the problem, I and other like me will not be able to park for Drs. or Dentists as it will all be yellow lines, for at least 3/4 of a mile, I know this as my friend is that far away in Dorridge and she is going to have yellow lines, has not been asked and does not mind people parking outside her house, it is just turning Dorridge into s suburb. I don't blame anyone person for this as I don't know who arranged it over kill, was it the council or who and was it because so many people complained about the parking? Why don't they council hold off the yellow paint until Sainsburys is open and see what the problem is then?

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    1. The Resident Formerly Known As Matthew27 August 2014 at 19:16

      They need to act now, amidst the chaos because if they get this through it will be a very nice little earner for them. I counted about £500 worth of parking tickets in our close (a long way from the station!) one morning last week. Carers, visitors, traders and residents whose children can't afford to move out and need the space to park.

      Of course we *could* apply for a residents' parking scheme, which costs about £200 a pop to start up, then £90 a year.

      KER-CHING whichever way you look at it.

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  63. Hi Matthew great to hear from you again.

    Thanks for all your interesting contributions to the discussion.

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  64. Can I suggest that we all look at the map.

    The source of the problem is bang in the middle and shaded blue.

    SMBC have made it easy to spot the problem.

    What can be done to rectify the issue at this late stage is beyond my pay grade.

    Can anyone suggest a solution from here . We can only start from where we are at.

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    1. Beyond my pay grade too but I think the problem will only get worse. The size of the supermarket is based on the need to provide Sainsbury's with the return they require against their purchase price for the land. We all know they paid way over the odds for the land, hence the supersize supermarket. It isn't rocket science to know that it will never attract enough shoppers to make it pay, and we can already see Sainsbury's are losing market share on a broad basis. Quite simply, they aren't the king of anyone's hill any more. So in a few years time, and things happen increasingly quickly in business, the shop will be failing, nobody will be leasing the other units, and we will have Forest Court Mark 2 in the centre of Dorridge. But this time it will be orange.

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  65. I think that 20:58 could have it right, I am sorry to say, what a dreadful thought. But this dreadful thought, still does not sort the stupid yellow lines all over Dorridge, and does not answer the question to decided on them

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  66. Sorry to say that the parking restrictions are a fait accompli, talk of consultation is the usual claptrap. Lobbying councillors will get you nowhere, they don't even respond to your calls or emails - I don't have a clue what they are supposed to do it certainly isn't support or represent their constituents. Have you ever actually seen Courts or Meeson in the village? But I'm pretty sure that Mackewitz won't be happy to have a multistorey car park behind his house.

    If the Council was worried about commuter parking they wouldn't have handed over Forest Road to Sainsburys, there used to be free all day parking for about 15 cars there which now has a 2 hour limit and is currently mostly taken up by workmen, but long term will become supermarket parking.

    The whole thing is sickening, but I seem to recall that Dorridge was warned of this by Matthew and his droves colleagues and seemingly everyone thought they were just scaremongering. Come back to haunt us now hasn't it and it isn;t even open yet.

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  67. I feel these part-time restrictions are being introduced to create extra parking for Sainsbury's customers when their totally inadequate car park is full.

    I believe the culprit to be SMBC who gave permission for the store without considering the knock on effect within a confined area.

    DDRA should have used their influence in an attempt to restraint the commercial excess of Sainsbury but the council are the only people with authority to insist on a suitable provision for cars and public transport.

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  68. Scaremongering indeed! The situation at present is temporary whilst the store is being built. Forest Road parking was also used by Forest Road residents - 2 huge RVs at one point that never moved. Also by the people who lived in the flats there that have now gone. Construction workers need to park, the car park is out of commission because of the building work, nobody expects the parking situation or road layout at this time to be ideal.
    I dislike the use of the councillors surnames by above. Quite un-necessarily aggressive - and they did represent my view and that of many others actually. A multi-storey car park would have very limited impact on properties on Manor Road. If you look at the site this is obvious. Above contributor has not put one or constructive point or reasonable suggestion forward in their post which is disappointing.

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    1. agreed 12:37:)

      some people seem only to have the capacity to make 2+2=5 and are very boring insodoing.

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  69. Sorry - my comment at 12.37 was aimed at comment by 9.57

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  70. The individual councillors should be named. After all they claim to represent the ward.

    The construction works should not be parking in the village.
    Sainsbury have repeatedly stated that ALL construction works will park at a remote location and be bussed on to site.

    The parking problem is not temporary . If it were the yellow paint would be removable.

    200 employees in total with no indication of how many will be working at any one time, will only add to the problem once the store is up and running.

    I wonder if the new development has been built with foundations strong enough to add a second floor of car park. Don't worry about blighting the lives of the folk who live on Forest Road they will come to love the view.

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  71. As I stated further up this page, why can't the restrictions on all roads be for one hour, as I suggested perhaps 9am to 10am. Then all shoppers could shop or go to dentists etc. as they have always done, the shops would not be hit by no customers being able to park and the council would have to think of another 'milk cow' to milk

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  72. even restricting parking between 9 and 10am in a bid to stop the all-day parkers won't prevent sainsburys staff parking on local roads for lengthy periods as I'm guessing they will be working shifts. so you could end up with cars parked say 1pm - 10.30pm, but it may be that residents won't mind this. I suppose residents need to decide just what they are prepared to put up with and let the council know. I'm not sure whether the council will take any notice however.

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  73. Good point, I was just thinking of the commuter parking that seemed to be what started all the yellow lines. Perhaps you could have 9 - 10am and 3 - 4pm??

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  74. My vote would be for one 1hour slot 9-10 with no parking.
    That would create the least disruption to residents and their visitors.

    Perhaps Sainsbury should insist that THEIR employees park in THEIR car park thus causing less disruption to surrounding householders . After all isn't that what good employers do.

    All you folk who bleated about anything being better than the eyesore that Forest Court had become have only got yourselves to blame. Things can only get worse.

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  75. Mr Dawson from Highway Services has stated if a significant number of people come up with the same amended proposal it will seriously be considered. We have Fri and Sat left to come up with such an idea, let's not waste it arguing whether commuters, Sainsbury's or DDRA are to blame. In the letter the council state 'it is anticipated that this will accommodate the proposal for the Sainsbury's development. Everyone seems to agree the root of the problem is a lack of parking, Sainsbury's and Chiltern both need their customers to be able to park to be profitable. It is in their interest for the problem to be resolved and they're probably as happy as us with the proposal. I think the council should approach both parties and see if an agreement can be made to joint fund the parking required. As has been said before with adequate parking in place, if the road parking still remains an issue that would be the time to look at parking restrictions, certainly on this scale. Or we could just carry on fighting amongst ourselves!

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  76. PLEASE COPY/EDIT AS YOU WISH AND POST OR EMAIL (Tro@solihull.gov.uk) - PLEASE ASK OTHER FRIENDS, NEIGHBOURS, TO DO THE SAME.
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    Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council
    The Council House, Manor Square, Solihull, B91 3QB

    August 2014

    FAO: Mr A Dawson, Solihull MBC, Highway Services,
    Re: Proposed Parking Restrictions – Dorridge / Bentley Heath

    Dear Mr Dawson,

    Further to emails already forwarded to TRO and Lee Stevenson I would like to make the following suggestion that might resolve the stated problem and maintain amenity and local character.

    The problem is one of inadequate parking and commuter parking. To deal with this I suggest;

    1) If parking is to be an issue on opening of the Sainsbury’s store, Chiltern and Sainsbury are approached to expand facilities at Dorridge Station or at the rear of Dorridge petrol station. Sainsbury’s should also encourage staff to park within their own or these new parking facilities. It is in their interests to ensure there is adequate parking and keep residents on side for the continued success of the community and their businesses.

    2) A simple one hour 9-10.00am restriction on some limited roads closest to Dorridge Station, encouraging the commuters to park in the provided facilities.

    With these two suggestions, residents, families, deliveries, friends, carers, trades people, local businesses and small retailers are all supported, the current government policy of supporting local businesses and the economy is upheld, and local amenity, character and community cohesion is maintained.

    This also provides a breathing space to review the situation again (if necessary) when the Sainsbury’s facility opens, rather than implement the current proposal which is deeply unpopular in local media and on local social forums with both residents and businesses.

    Please give this revised proposal your full consideration. I would be pleased to discuss this with you at any time.

    Yours sincerely,

    Signature, Contact Telephone Number, Email Address
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  77. With the greatest of respect to everyone I believe this is a done deal! A precedent has already been set on the Hillfield Estate where commuter parking at Widney Manor Staton, in addition to problems with parking from students at sixth form college. Whilst there were many objections the restrictions came into force. House prices did not drop and residents learned to live with it. I therefore think we are all whistling in the wind.

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  78. With the greatest respect, we are not talking about part of an estate, we are talking about, what up to now has been a lovely village, since it started to grow when the railway came to this part of the world, and most would like to remain a lovely place to live, bring up their children and end their days, so well worth fighting for. I might add I don't live in Dorridge, but my parents lived there for many happy years, I live in Knowle and we will I suspect be facing the same problems within the next 12 months with Waitrose, which will not even have its own car park!

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  79. I feel there do need to be parking restrictions but am appalled by how Chiltern Rail seem to be getting away with not having to increase the parking (notably behind the petrol station/church as mentioned already).

    As a resident on Manor Road I spent ages asking the vicar at St Philips to get his congregation not to park on Manor road but to use the facilities behind the church (readily available on Sundays and in the evenings. Frankly I was ignored. After a close accident accompanying one of my children crossing Manor road between 2 parked cars (it was the only option we had given the parking there), I decide to move house.

    The issue IS mostly rail commuters but maybe a few people need to look closer to home....

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    1. How very dare you criticise the good folk of the congregation of St Philips. You, my neighbour, will incur His wrath. A plague of locusts is the least you can expect.

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  80. THE ISSUE ISNT JUST ABOUT PARKING CAPACITY BUT AFFORDABILITY.

    -Increase parking capacity behind the station to as many storeys as you can get away with, but make it affordable!
    -Add parking restrictions in the roads proposed, but less draconian, for the reason mentioned above.

    The icing on the cake would be to add some sensible pick up/drop off spots in front of the station, instead of the ocean of tarmac (now the roundabout has gone Coaches/Buses should be able to get round the bend)

    Is really not that difficult......



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  81. The ridiculous thing is that residents are being expected to do the council's job and come up with solutions for them because they have made such a huge mistake in allowing this massive supermarket in a small residential village centre,

    At the planning stage, numerous questions and concerns were raised about where Sainsburys staff would park. the council accepted the ridiculous notion that all staff would be local and would walk, cycle or come by public transport when it is clear to see on a Sunday morning huge numbers of locals who drive short distances to buy a Sunday paper. A big proportion of Dorridge residents dont like to walk anywhere, shops, school, station etc.

    the council has suddenly woken up to the fact that there is a massive supermarket about to open with more staff than there are parking spaces in the store's own car park (although the car park is also expected to service everything else in the village as well). Sainsburys is unlikely to allow its staff to park on its roof, once employed they will be cut loose to find parking wherever they can, looks like it will probably be in Knowle - until that too wakes up to the same problem.

    Basically these small villages are just not designed to be homes to huge supermarkets with all the traffic that they attract. I'm just hoping that people increasingly shop on-line then the store will be empty and people can use the car park for other reasons - doctors, dentists, school etc.

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    1. Well said, a big proportion of Dorridge don't like walking or cycling, its too much effort. Then they moan they cant park.

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  82. Agreed it is ridiculous, but if we want to have an effect we need to respond in numbers with a common suggestion as suggested 28/08/2014 19:23.
    I assumed councils either had employees experienced in these areas or used 3rd parties. Looking at the letter and map sent, they can't spell the name of roads consistently or even decide if the restrictions are Mon-Fri or Mon-Sat.

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  83. My husband has just heard on news that the 'new' best way to get something done, is to twitter the person you need to get to at the council etc. and it is seem my hundreds so causes a big reaction. As I do not have a clue about twitter, I wondered if someone else might like to give it a go. We still don't know who made this decision, do we. Also I see in the local paper that Bentley Heath is also very worried about all their shops closing due to the yellow lines and also not being able to park outside houses with small drives, perhaps this a one great plan to get rid of our local shops so Sainsburys can make a profit

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    1. Funny you should say that I have been wondering that also.

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  84. People have to get to work...end of. I think parking should be allowed on side roads. I think people who want the parking restrictions where they live are making a big error.

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  85. A lot of people can't walk that far or bike. Also how do you get your big shop home on a bike or walking any distance. Anyway STOP BANGING ON ABOUT SAINSBURY'S AND WHAT IT MIGHT BE LIKE WHEN ITS UP AND RUNNING!!! YOU DON'T KNOW. This is about COMMUTER PARKING!

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    1. Personally I think the store is too big and consequently won't be the success Sainsbury's would want

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  86. I agree with the above 12:13, but this Dorridge site when it opens up a debate, always goes back to who did what and when. The problem is that we don't want to not be able to park outside out own houses, also the yellow lines are going all over Bentley Heath and will kill their shops, I don't see many commuters parking there, just what are the council at? filling a short fall in their budget. I expect they will start on Knowle next, the excuse being Waitrose. On one of these blogs about 8 months ago a commuter gave the costs of working in B'ham and going by train and it was more expensive to park in carpark than his train fare (monthly). So that is the problem, not everyone has got the extra money so are forced to street park, answer double the size of the station carpark and make it free, problem solved.

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  87. The question on the Sihillianl site is about not allowing parking, why does everyone seem to go back to Sainsbury's, it is commuters not Sainsburys, they are not even open yet. STICK TO THE POINT and try to come up with suggestions to avoid spoiling Dorridge with yellow lines

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  88. Sometimes it's necessary to think 'out of the box' as it's called, and propose an unlikely, contrarian view to find the best way forward.

    Applying that approach to what needs to be done to The Spinney, how about letting another one of the big grocers, say Morrisons, build a supermarket there to provide competition for Sainsbury's and keep them on their toes?

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    1. Oh gosh,careful what you wish for!

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    2. I can see DDRA supporting that!

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  89. SMBC would definitely give permission because all the staff and all the customers would promise to use public transport. As a bribe to public option Morrisons could install a pretty waste bin under the new station canopy.

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  90. Oh what wits you are! Pointless comments!

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  91. After reading 20:06 and 9:50 I have decided Dorridge deserves all it is going to get

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    1. 12:58 rest assured not everyone who lives in Dorridge are twats like 20:06 and 09:50 who turn everything into a rant about Sainsbury's. I can assure you the vast majority of people living here find these small-minded people very boring indeed.

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    2. I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about with this Sainsbury's store.

      My wife and I drove through Dorridge this afternoon and it didn't look any different to us - which side of the road is it on?

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    3. I like your comment however you, we, are most likely to incur the wrath of those that have absolutely no sense of humour whatsoever. Yes this a serious matter with strong opinions on both sides but the occasional comment to lighten things up a bit is very welcome!

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    4. By God you will need a sense of humour, when you miss you dentist appointment!! I have a good sense of humour but I am really worried about all the businesses of Dorridge failing, just because some man person has come up with a mad idea to get the Council finances out of a hole. On another note it is like going on a fun ride going to the Dr. now, have you tried it?

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  92. OK so you arrive in Dorridge perhaps to have a haircut, visit the dentist or see the doctor: the car park is full (all those pesky shoppers). You glance at your watch, 2.30, yikes what to do, there is no alternative on road parking available.

    If the new draconian restrictions really are aimed at the poor rail commuters why not apply different time periods to different roads. No overall increase in parked cars just an even spread during the working day.

    As things stand no one will want an appointment between 9-11 and 2-3, very disruptive for the various salons and the surgery.

    Just a simple suggestion that might help.

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  93. SMBC, you are a complete bunch of tools.

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  94. Has anyone heard what is happening, if things are going to be re thought?

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  95. 14:39 I hope not - I think the plans are great and I live in Dorridge on one of the roads directly affected.

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